NCAA Men's Tournament Officials (2022)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Interesting. This means that the Referee assigned in Arbiter always tossed the ball during the D3 National Tournament. Hopefully all the tosses went off without any hitches.

Not necessarily. Jim Haney's comments were mostly about who is assigned the games during the season and he does not know everyone. I am sure if he assigned a game in the D3 tournament, he is likely aware of who he assigned on some level. And this was said a few years ago. I believe he has access to more information, But if you are U2 and you toss the ball, then he might think the R is the person that tossed the ball.

Peace

[ilyazhito]

I don't know why MultipleSports brought this up, then. Another digression within a digression.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... if you are U2 and you toss the ball, then he might think the R is the person that tossed the ball.

Is college like high school, where the referee, and only the referee, puts the ball at the disposal of the inbounder to start the second, third, and fourth periods (or the second half for college men)?

Also, based on the context in the above posts, I'm assuming that in college, like in high school, the referee has the option of assigning the jump ball toss to one of the umpire(s).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Is college like high school, where the referee, and only the referee, puts the ball at the disposal of the inbounder to start the second, third, and fourth periods (or the second half for college men)?

Also, based on the context in the above posts, I'm assuming that in college, like in high school, the referee has the option of assigning the jump ball toss to one of the umpire(s).

That's not an absolute in college or HS.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

That's not an absolute in ... HS.

NFHS 2-5-2: The referee must: Administer the alternating-possession throw-in to start the second, third and fourth quarters.

Raymond may be referring to something less than usual, like technical foul free throws, and the ball at the division line, to start a period (which would not be an alternating possession throwin), thus not an absolute?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NFHS 2-5-2: The referee must: Administer the alternating-possession throw-in to start the second, third and fourth quarters.

Raymond may be referring to something less than usual, like technical foul free throws, and the ball at the division line, to start a period (which would not be an alternating possession throwin), thus not an absolute?

I thought we broke you of the habit of speaking for others.

I've done plenty of games in college and HS where the referee did not administer throw-ins at the beginning of periods.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I thought we broke you of the habit of speaking for others.

Sometimes I'm forced to do that (assume) when confronted with a cryptic, or incomplete post, leaving questions unanswered.

Originally Posted by Raymond

I've done plenty of games in ... HS where the referee did not administer throw-ins at the beginning of periods.

Why not? Any other usually referee duties they did not do?

Originally Posted by Raymond

I've done plenty of games in ... HS where the referee did not administer throw-ins at the beginning of periods.

I have too, contrary to the rule.

In almost all cases they were AAU, recreation, travel, middle school games, etc., not assigned by my high school commissioner, with very "relaxed" formalities. No pregame conference. No scorebook checking. No pregame coaches meeting.

In other cases (assigned by my high school commissioner), though I was assigned as the referee, I decided unilaterally (allowed by local custom and tradition) to allow inexperienced young officials (often rookies) to get some experience as a referee (lead a pregame conference, check scorebook, running pregame coaches/captains meeting, toss, and/or alternating possession starting period throwin administration.

Doing any of these tasks could possibly identify the referee, even if not assigned as such. Doing all of these pretty much identifies a referee, even if not assigned as such. "You be the referee tonight", not sure how official that is, may vary locally?

Also, until we (locally) started using Arbiter, and were assigned with paper and pencil through snail mail, umpires and referees were not assigned for any subvarsity games, it was decided when meeting at the site, usually based by seniority, or by who did what when partners last worked together, a somewhat fluid procedure.

But by rule, it's the referee who administers alternating possession throwins to "normally" begin periods, as well as initiate a pregame conference (by mechanics manual), check scorebook (implied by rule, also by mechanics manual), choosing tosser (rule), running pregame coaches meeting (rule), and a few other things (rules).

Don't follow all such rules and mechanics? No problem. When in Rome ...

Also, one probably needs to define referee on a local level. Is it one who is assigned to be the referee, or is it one who performs some, many, or all, the game duties usually associated with a referee? Some Forum members may have different definitions.