Huddle with coach during free throw?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

. For the OP, if the defensive players are causing a delay by huddling, you can follow the procedure for administering a delay warning. Hopefully it does not get to the point where you have to administer a technical foul for delay.

1) The offensive players can also case a delay by huddling.

2) Huddling in the lane to delay the administration of the FT is NOT what the OP was about. It was the team meeting near the bench. If the defense does not put two players in the lower blocks, it's a T, with no (official) warning and certainly not a delay warning. (Good game management will have the official tell the coach that the players are needed before resorting to the T.)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the defense does not put two players in the lower blocks, it's a T, with no (official) warning and certainly not a delay warning.

10-4-5: A player must not: Delay the game by acts such as:
a. Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.
c. The free thrower fails to be in the free-throw semicircle when the official is ready to administer the free throw unless the resumption-of-play procedure is in effect following a time-out or intermission.

10.4.5 SITUATION: The ruling official has reported the foul and has given directions to players along the lane. The official is ready to put the ball at free thrower A1’s disposal, but A1 is at the sideline talking to the coach. RULING: A technical foul for delay is charged to A1. No warning is authorized in this situation. (10-3-5c)

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) The offensive players can also case a delay by huddling.

2) Huddling in the lane to delay the administration of the FT is NOT what the OP was about. It was the team meeting near the bench. If the defense does not put two players in the lower blocks, it's a T, with no (official) warning and certainly not a delay warning. (Good game management will have the official tell the coach that the players are needed before resorting to the T.)

I am aware of that. However, in the OP, it appears to me that the OP was mentioning the defense, because he referenced 4 players huddling with their coach before the 2nd free throw. Only 2 players can be in the lane for the offense, so there is no way that there could be a 4-player huddle by the offense and they have 2 players in the lane at the same time.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I am aware of that. However, in the OP, it appears to me that the OP was mentioning the defense, because he referenced 4 players huddling with their coach before the 2nd free throw. Only 2 players can be in the lane for the offense, so there is no way that there could be a 4-player huddle by the offense and they have 2 players in the lane at the same time.

Great. Still has nothing to do with the delay warning.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I am aware of that. However, in the OP, it appears to me that the OP was mentioning the defense, because he referenced 4 players huddling with their coach before the 2nd free throw.

Sounds like offensive players to me. The shooter. Two who can be on the lane and choose not to. Two that can't be on the lane.

Originally Posted by cozzmokramer

... coach always brings his four players over to his sideline while his player shoots the first free throw. The four players huddle around him with his whiteboard, then after his player shoots the free throw those four players take their spots in the FT lane.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I am aware of that. However, in the OP, it appears to me that the OP was mentioning the defense, because he referenced 4 players huddling with their coach before the 2nd free throw. Only 2 players can be in the lane for the offense, so there is no way that there could be a 4-player huddle by the offense and they have 2 players in the lane at the same time.

Point being, if it is the defense huddling 4 players near the coach, there is no delay warning for failing to occupy both of the bottom lane spaces, it's technical foul.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Point being, if it is the defense huddling 4 players near the coach, there is no delay warning for failing to occupy both of the bottom lane spaces, it's technical foul.

The initial penalty for failing to occupy the required lane spaces is a free throw violation, but the huddling around the coach adds in a delay offense, and that triggers the technical foul.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

The initial penalty for failing to occupy the required lane spaces is a free throw violation, but the huddling around the coach adds in a delay offense, and that triggers the technical foul.

No part of that statement is correct.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No part of that statement is correct.

Bob, forgive him. He is just getting confused by his nascent familiarity with rules promulgated by the Greater Filipino Professional Midget Basketball Association.

I understand he aspires to be hired by that group, provided he can pass their arduous testing regimen and the requirement to have facility speaking Tagalog.

He has already demonstrated proficient language skills, his downfall will be to assimilate basketball rule sets.

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

The initial penalty for failing to occupy the required lane spaces is a free throw violation, but the huddling around the coach adds in a delay offense, and that triggers the technical foul.

10.2.1 SITUATION C

The ruling official has reported the foul and proceeds to his/her proper position for the first of two free throws awarded to A1... (b) two B players are not occupying the first two marked spaces next to the end line as required.

In (b), Team B will be directed to occupy the required spaces. If there is delay, a team technical foul shall be charged to Team B. (4-47)

Thinking of 8-1-2 perhaps, ilyazhito?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

The initial penalty for failing to occupy the required lane spaces is a free throw violation ...

If the offense is in the lower two spaces, it's a double (simultaneous) violation, for the offense to be where they don't belong, and for the defense to not be where they do belong.

9.1.2 SITUATION B: A1 is shooting the first of a bonus free-throw situation. A4 and A5 are positioned in the first two marked lane spaces (near the end line) and B4 and B5 are positioned in the second two marked lane spaces. The incorrect alignment is discovered by the officials (a) before the ball is at the disposal of A1; (b) after the ball is at A1's disposal, but before the try is in flight; (c) when the try is in flight; (d) when the successful try goes through the cylinder; (e) when the unsuccessful try is rebounding off the basket ring; or (f) when the rebound of the unsuccessful try is securely in A4's possession. RULING: In (a), the administering official shall "reset" the free throw and put the players in their proper marked lane spaces. In (b) and (c) an official shall sound his/her whistle immediately and call a simultaneous violation, utilizing the alternating-possession procedure to put the ball in play. In (d), (e) and (f) the free throw has ended and the improper alignment is ignored. (4-20-3; 9-1-2 Penalty 3)