Huddle with coach during free throw?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

So work to stop that from happening (e.g., go stand by the huddle yourself ... deal with it when it does. Don't call it unsporting when it's just one player being near another group of players ...

This thread reminded me of a near similar situation that I had decades ago. The huddled coach actually complained to me. I moved toward the eavesdropping player and told him (with no rules basis) to leave. Seemed to me to be the right thing to do at the time. Player left. End of story. Never had this situation again.

I never called it unsporting, just questioned if it could be considered unsporting. It pretty difficult to call something legal unsporting.

Occasionally, in regard to intrateam communication and profane language, Forum members have mentioned the "inviolability of the huddle".

The huddle is not inviolable all the time, especially during a free throw.

Originally Posted by Raymond

... huddling team who think they're entitled to tell an opponent where to stand on the court.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... near similar situation ...

My situation was before designated time out areas were defined in the rules.

1-13-3: The time-out area must be the area inside an imaginary rectangle formed by the boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line, and an imaginary line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area meeting an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

5-11-2,3: … must be conducted within the confines of the time-out area.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Point being, if it is the defense huddling 4 players near the coach, there is no delay warning for failing to occupy both of the bottom lane spaces, it's technical foul.

The initial penalty for failing to occupy the required lane spaces is a free throw violation, but the huddling around the coach adds in a delay offense, and that triggers the technical foul.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

The initial penalty for failing to occupy the required lane spaces is a free throw violation, but the huddling around the coach adds in a delay offense, and that triggers the technical foul.

No part of that statement is correct.

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

The initial penalty for failing to occupy the required lane spaces is a free throw violation, but the huddling around the coach adds in a delay offense, and that triggers the technical foul.

10.2.1 SITUATION C

The ruling official has reported the foul and proceeds to his/her proper position for the first of two free throws awarded to A1... (b) two B players are not occupying the first two marked spaces next to the end line as required.

In (b), Team B will be directed to occupy the required spaces. If there is delay, a team technical foul shall be charged to Team B. (4-47)

Thinking of 8-1-2 perhaps, ilyazhito?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

The initial penalty for failing to occupy the required lane spaces is a free throw violation ...

If the offense is in the lower two spaces, it's a double (simultaneous) violation, for the offense to be where they don't belong, and for the defense to not be where they do belong.

9.1.2 SITUATION B: A1 is shooting the first of a bonus free-throw situation. A4 and A5 are positioned in the first two marked lane spaces (near the end line) and B4 and B5 are positioned in the second two marked lane spaces. The incorrect alignment is discovered by the officials (a) before the ball is at the disposal of A1; (b) after the ball is at A1's disposal, but before the try is in flight; (c) when the try is in flight; (d) when the successful try goes through the cylinder; (e) when the unsuccessful try is rebounding off the basket ring; or (f) when the rebound of the unsuccessful try is securely in A4's possession. RULING: In (a), the administering official shall "reset" the free throw and put the players in their proper marked lane spaces. In (b) and (c) an official shall sound his/her whistle immediately and call a simultaneous violation, utilizing the alternating-possession procedure to put the ball in play. In (d), (e) and (f) the free throw has ended and the improper alignment is ignored. (4-20-3; 9-1-2 Penalty 3)

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No part of that statement is correct.

Bob, forgive him. He is just getting confused by his nascent familiarity with rules promulgated by the Greater Filipino Professional Midget Basketball Association.

I understand he aspires to be hired by that group, provided he can pass their arduous testing regimen and the requirement to have facility speaking Tagalog.

He has already demonstrated proficient language skills, his downfall will be to assimilate basketball rule sets.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. However doesn't "unsporting" literally mean "not sportsmanlike", or "bad sportsmanship"?

What does the rule book say is "unsportsmanlike conduct"? I don't believe this applies. That's why I used the terms "poor form" and "bad sportsmanship". Yes, it's nuanced.

Shooting a three pointer at the buzzer of a game you are already winning by 30 when the defense is already walking towards their bench is poor form/bad sportsmanship . I don't believe anyone thinks it rises to the level of unsportsmanlike conduct.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Altor

What does the rule book say is "unsportsmanlike conduct"? I don't believe this applies ... Yes, it's nuanced.

Agree. Most likely doesn't apply here. Just tossing it out for discussion.

Rule book doesn't really define unsportsmanlike conduct. It just give examples with the open ended qualifying phrase, "this includes, but is not limited to ...".

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... "unsporting" literally mean(s) "not sportsmanlike ...

... was the Funk and Wagnalls definition.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Altor

Shooting a three pointer at the buzzer of a game you are already winning by 30 when the defense is already walking towards their bench is poor form/bad sportsmanship ...

Had this a few years ago.

Winning captain was teeing up his shot when I told him, as the trail, "Don't you dare".

He didn't shoot.

Had he shot the ball, I would have counted, or not counted, the three, turned away and quietly left the gym with my partner.