CE Scenario

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by isuphloyd

I will often work the scoreboard for our freshmen games. I find myself asking after every foul to make sure the player total and team total match up. Sometimes there is 1 book, sometimes there is 2. It is my responsibility to hopefully not add any extra things to the officials plate.

Thank you for your due diligence.

Had a freshman game yesterday. Site director (school system's version of an athletic director) on the clock/scoreboard, and the regular varsity scorekeeper (who's been there decades, was the previous site director) on the (single) scorebook. Seventh heaven for me.

Non-officials can't possibly appreciate how important a good table crew is to having a good game.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Unfortunately we have to take the point off the scoreboard and Team B retains the ball. It's a horrible situation. That's why I track team fouls on the scoreboard every time a team commits a foul.

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Agree with the ruling, but I don't think it is that bad of a situation. It just puts some of the responsibility also on team A to make sure they're not taking FTs they don't deserve. They typically know how many fouls they have too, just like the other team did. If they sit back and allow it to occur when they know otherwise, they're doing so at the risk of losing the FTs and the ball....you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

crosscountry55: Could you be more specific? Not to beat you up, or to embarrass you, but for all of us to learn.

We were thinking, “B got the rebound, then they called TO during that possession, so no change in possession means that you ignore POI and put the ball back in play as you would have had the error not occurred.”

But that only happens when there’s a failure to award a merited FT. It has nothing to do the awarding of unmerited FTs.

So all you whipper-snappers out there (because we’re such a young group on this archaic platform and all), don’t make my mistake.


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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree with the ruling, but I don't think it is that bad of a situation. It just puts some of the responsibility also on team A to make sure they're not taking FTs they don't deserve. They typically know how many fouls they have too, just like the other team did. If they sit back and allow it to occur when they know otherwise, they're doing so at the risk of losing the FTs and the ball....you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Have always hated that line of reasoning to mitigate the crew's (table/officials) responsibility and guilt in the situation. Why should coaches be more aware than officials? Opens the door (or it's already open and been entered) for opponents (especially home teams) to allow the free throws to be shot then wait until they are in possession to issue the challenge.

Must just be the military in me...don't pass the buck.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Have always hated that line of reasoning to mitigate the crew's (table/officials) responsibility and guilt in the situation. Why should coaches be more aware than officials? Opens the door (or it's already open and been entered) for opponents (especially home teams) to allow the free throws to be shot then wait until they are in possession to issue the challenge.

Must just be the military in me...don't pass the buck.

It is not about buck passing, it is about balance of fairness when the situation happens.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Have always hated that line of reasoning to mitigate the crew's (table/officials) responsibility and guilt in the situation. Why should coaches be more aware than officials? Opens the door (or it's already open and been entered) for opponents (especially home teams) to allow the free throws to be shot then wait until they are in possession to issue the challenge.

Must just be the military in me...don't pass the buck.

I disagree because we can ask the table all kinds of things and be given totally wrong information. So I do not put much responsibility on the officials if we are asking or clarifying what we are to do after a foul related to the foul count. Even last night I had a table mix up the fouls on the board and we had to ask for clarification and it was corrected. But if we did not notice (or me specifically) we might have done something incorrectly in the future.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

We were thinking, “B got the rebound, then they called TO during that possession, so no change in possession means that you ignore POI and put the ball back in play as you would have had the error not occurred.” But that only happens when there’s a failure to award a merited FT. It has nothing to do the awarding of unmerited FTs. So all you whipper-snappers out there (because we’re such a young group on this archaic platform and all), don’t make my mistake.

2-10-6: If an error is corrected, play must be resumed from the point of interruption to rectify the error, unless it involves awarding a merited free throw(s) and there has been no change of team possession since the error was made, in which case play must resume as after any free-throw attempt(s).

[FlasherZ]

I occasionally end up doing table duties for games in which my children are involved. I've gotten a few compliments about a good table crew, keeping things smooth, and I think the local officials really appreciate not having to worry too much that things are out-of-whack there - and have built good rapport with them.

I also occasionally teach a local class on operating Nevco scoreboards and how to be reasonably good with them while being as accurate as possible. It's rather disconcerting when I go to a game (as a spectator) and see a high-function scoreboard and all you see is a clock, two scores, and if you're lucky two team foul counts...

Might be good to mention to the AD's that they consider developing the next generation of table crews too...

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by FlasherZ

It's rather disconcerting when I go to a game (as a spectator) and see a high-function scoreboard and all you see is a clock, two scores, and if you're lucky two team foul counts.

Preach it! That bugs me, too. Folks can multi-task on their phones these days like audio technicians in a recording studio. But put them on a scoreboard console and all of a sudden they are feature-limited.

Originally Posted by FlasherZ

Might be good to mention to the AD's that they consider developing the next generation of table crews too...

Good luck. Everyone wants to get paid these days. Back in the early 90s when I was in middle school, it was hardly a problem finding table volunteers, let alone income seekers. Not anymore.


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