Another Referee Assault ...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I will never just stand back and take numbers.

Unless I am getting paid with a "comma" in the check, I am not ever stopping players once they go at it. That is what my presence and whistle is for. If that does not work, let them have at it. Not subjecting myself to what happened here.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Unless I am getting paid with a "comma" in the check, I am not ever stopping players once they go at it. That is what my presence and whistle is for. If that does not work, let them have at it. Not subjecting myself to what happened here.

Peace

My point is I will try to stop things before they start, but eventually we all need to protect ourselves.


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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

My point is I will try to stop things before they start, but eventually we all need to protect ourselves.

I did not say I would not try to stop it. But I am not touching any players and not doing a thing after they throw blows. Get rid of the problem and move on.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

... we all need to protect ourselves.

Physically, criminally, and civilly.

[Kelvin green]

I hope the official files a civil lawsuit against this guy and seeks substantial damages….. including punitive.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

I hope the official files a civil lawsuit against this guy and seeks substantial damages….. including punitive.

That would be pointless. Compensatory damages, if any, would be minimal (and likely considered under the criminal penalties,) and this conduct is not egregious enough to warrant punitive damages.

[WI_Ref]

Originally Posted by Matt

That would be pointless. Compensatory damages, if any, would be minimal (and likely considered under the criminal penalties,) and this conduct is not egregious enough to warrant punitive damages.

I dunno, maybe, maybe not. Considering that his face absorbed the fall this literally could have ended in death or some other head/neck injury. I would think a good lawyer could definitely get punitive damages. I would also assume the extent of the damage would still be unknown as there could be long term neck/spinal/brain type injury. They guy that went down appeared to be older and not in the best shape.

IMHO this certainly was egregious enough to warrant punitive damages but I'm be biased I suppose

[Matt]

Originally Posted by WI_Ref

I dunno, maybe, maybe not. Considering that his face absorbed the fall this literally could have ended in death or some other head/neck injury. I would think a good lawyer could definitely get punitive damages. I would also assume the extent of the damage would still be unknown as there could be long term neck/spinal/brain type injury. They guy that went down appeared to be older and not in the best shape.

That has nothing to do with if punitive damages are applicable. That is all compensatory.

Originally Posted by WI_Ref

IMHO this certainly was egregious enough to warrant punitive damages but I'm be biased I suppose

Simple assault and/or battery is almost never enough. There has to be some sort of factor that is especially beyond the pale in addition to the assault/battery. There really isn't one here (unless, for example, dude has a history of this behavior towards offiicials, or it had nothing to do with this game but a past game and he had intended to commit this crime for a while, etc.)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

I hope the official files a civil lawsuit against this guy and seeks substantial damages….. including punitive.

Originally Posted by WI_Ref

Considering that his face absorbed the fall this literally could have ended in death or some other head/neck injury. I would think a good lawyer could definitely get punitive damages ... this certainly was egregious enough to warrant punitive damages ...

I have not attended law school, nor have I passed the bar exam, but I have watched all 456 episodes of Law & Order, all 503 episodes of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, and all 195 episodes Law & Order: Criminal Intent, so I'm whatcha might call a law expert.

While I can see probable criminal charges and a probable civil lawsuit filed against the parent, could there not also be criminal charges (risk of injury to a minor) and a civil lawsuit filed against the basketball official?

[rbruno]

Damned if we do and damned if we don't. Middle school I might try to get between so no one gets hurt. To this point game over and lets go home, don't care who wins, loses or whatever, let the rinky dink MS league fiigure this out.
This is the crap that causes officials to quit.
HS... just taking numbers and letting the coaches get the players and I'm not getting near a 6-2 HS player for fear of getting hurt myself. When the parents run on the floor I'm done. This jerk needs to get sued. No excuse. Heck what happened wasn't that bad... just boys trying to be men (women get this analogy).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rbruno

Damned if we do and damned if we don't.

While some of us would try to stop the fight, definitely by sounding our whistles, possibly by trying to get between the main participants, I'm not sure that officials are under any legal obligation to physically intervene.

There appear to be a few legal experts participating in this thread that may be able to inform us of any legal obligation that officials might have to physically intervene in matters such as this.

Perhaps those Forum members with some legal background knowledge can enlighten us?

Just remember. Anybody can sue anybody for anything at any time, and even if the plaintiff doesn't prevail, defendants should be represented by an attorney, and billable hours aren't inexpensive.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rbruno

Damned if we do and damned if we don't. Middle school I might try to get between so no one gets hurt. To this point game over and lets go home, don't care who wins, loses or whatever, let the rinky dink MS league fiigure this out.
This is the crap that causes officials to quit.
HS... just taking numbers and letting the coaches get the players and I'm not getting near a 6-2 HS player for fear of getting hurt myself. When the parents run on the floor I'm done. This jerk needs to get sued. No excuse. Heck what happened wasn't that bad... just boys trying to be men (women get this analogy).

This is why I do not do middle school at all. Many times we have less than ideal accommodations. I have been to places that did not give a locker room or expected us to get dressed in the public bathroom that the parents use. Sorry, not doing it anymore. Gained enough experience and knowledge to avoid those games like the plague. The same goes for Men's league, they are all the same. I can work a HS game and we have a locker room and some standards. Even in Illinois, we have a Junior High State Organization, but not worth the hassle. I will never do these games over a high school game or any other level for that matter. Just a waste of time.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

I hope the official files a civil lawsuit against this guy and seeks substantial damages...

I hope that they throw the book at him: Semper ubi sub ubi. Quaeso esto meus vicinus. Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos! Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica. Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur! Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.

[Nevadaref]

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