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Old Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:02pm
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The rulebook ad casebook does not specifically address this issue. So again, your personal thought process does not matter here. I do not care what you think about this. I was not asking. Read this thoroughly and look for contradictions. There was non. Coming to year knees and on both knees is not attempting to get up. You are on both knees. No reference you have made changes to that. Because if you are still on your knees, you did not get up. You work 2 man in your area, why would I care what you think about this?

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Old Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:06pm
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The rulebook and casebook does not specifically address this issue.
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Unless they clarify what it means to get up that will be a hole in the rule.
They haven't, and it's still a "hole in the rule".
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Old Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:08pm
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They haven't, and it's still a" hole in the rule".
Then stop trying to tell me what to think about this. I stated my position and stood by it. I was not asking for your help to figure the rest out.

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Old Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:12pm
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I stated my position and stood by it.
So you still believe that it's a "hole in the rule"?

Good, because so do I.
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Old Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:09pm
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Because if you are still on your knees, you did not get up.
Agree. She didn't actually get up. She was unsuccessfully attempting to get up.
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Old Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:11pm
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Agree. She didn't actually get up. She was unsuccessfully attempting to get up.
Now you can move on and stop reposting shit we already read and already considered in this conversation that was not even your question.

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Old Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:15pm
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Appreciate this. Maybe I was getting too wound up. Sorry. No offense intended. Just a simple difference of opinion possibly overstated.
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Old Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:24pm
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Great Video ...
I've offered this video to Greg Austin for his Better Official You Tube channel.

He is considering reviewing it on his live "Five Play Friday" presentation on Friday, December 24, 2021, 10:00 a.m EST.

He should have a few dozen basketball officials from around the world on his live broadcast offering their opinions (Zoochy and Mike Goodwin should be there).

He mentioned the video today on his Wednesday live "Rule Questions" broadcast (no video, just a description), and there were few opinions offered with mixed opinions offered.

https://www.youtube.com/c/ABetterOfficial/featured

Again, Remington, great video. Thanks.
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He should have a few dozen basketball officials from around the world on his live broadcast offering their opinions ...
He showed the video and got mixed opinions. One thing that all agreed on is that if she had started out on her knees that it would be legal for her to start a dribble and get up.
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Old Tue Jan 04, 2022, 11:04am
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Serious question on this scenario. How does a player get to his/her knees without moving both feet?
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Serious question on this scenario. How does a player get to his/her knees without moving both feet?
Don't know, but there is no feet requirement if you are on the floor prone. So it does not matter.

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Old Tue Jan 04, 2022, 11:37am
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Don't know, but there is no feet requirement if you are on the floor prone. So it does not matter.

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But once you are at one knee, doesn't that foot become the pivot foot? I'm not being argumentative, I'm trying to understand the logic. And I'm surprised that you say that there is no feet requirement when prone. If both feet are touching the floor, doesn't one automatically become by definition the pivot foot?
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Old Tue Jan 04, 2022, 11:47am
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But once you are at one knee, doesn't that foot become the pivot foot? I'm not being argumentative, I'm trying to understand the logic. And I'm surprised that you say that there is no feet requirement when prone. If both feet are touching the floor, doesn't one automatically become by definition the pivot foot?
No. You are on your knees. The rules do not say anything about being on your knees you have a pivot foot. That is why the debate is what you can do if you are on your knees. Because a player could get possession the first time while on their knees. There is no pivot foot. By rule they just cannot get up. Now what that means if you are on both knees is the debate here.

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Old Tue Jan 04, 2022, 01:22pm
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Elsewhere in the record book, the entire leg is treated as one. (Kicked ball for instance). It used to be the ball had to hit the foot. Now any part of the leg is a violation.

And think about the position of the leg. Its not possible to be on your knees without the feet being in contact with the court.
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Old Tue Jan 04, 2022, 01:26pm
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Its not possible to be on your knees without the feet being in contact with the court.
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