Interesting Play

[Kansas Ref]

Well regarding whether or not a travel occurs is left to the sagacity of the referee who has primary coverage of the play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

Well regarding whether or not a travel occurs is left to the sagacity of the referee who has primary coverage of the play.

Or the umpire, or the other umpire.

Sagacity?

“Don't use a five-dollar word when a fifty-cent word will do.” (Mark Twain)

Samuel Clemens used to live right up the street from me.

I mean, from where I live now.

I'm not that old, but Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

How do you judge rolling over either from the stomach or the back? Is it from stomach to back or back to stomach that is illegal? To the side? So many degrees? We've read and found all of the rules and case book plays previously mentioned but can't conclude about the rolling over part.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What does "roll over" mean? 90 degrees? 180 degrees? 360 degrees? It's a good thing that I carry a protector with the extra whistle in my pocket.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

We were debating this tonight. How do you judge rolling over either from the stomach or the back? Is it from stomach to back or back to stomach that is illegal? To the side? So many degrees? We've read and found all of the rules and case book plays previously mentioned but can't conclude about the rolling over part.

It isn't defined, but I'm OK with a player settling from this/her side to back or stomach....about a 1/4 turn. But, I'm not OK with going from left side to right side...anything nearing 180degrees is, to me, turning over.

[crosscountry55]

Kansas Ref…..ignore BillyMac’s critique. I, for one, appreciate the profundity of your word selection.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Kansas Ref…..ignore BillyMac’s critique. I, for one, appreciate the profundity of your word selection.

Already sent Kansas Ref a personal message saying the same.

I actually used the word "musings" for the first time in my life on the Forum yesterday. Had to double check the spelling and to make sure it meant what I wanted it to mean. I did not do very well on the vocabulary part of my high school SAT. My English teacher, Mr. Baumgartner, was very disappointed.

Profundity? Really?

[Mike Goodwin]

Sagacious: definition 2 obsolete : keen in sense perception. [merriam-webster.com, accessed 12/29/21]

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin

Sagacious: definition 2 obsolete : keen in sense perception. [merriam-webster.com, accessed 12/29/21]

Is Mike Goodwin implying that Kansas Ref is obsolete?

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Is Mike Goodwin implying that Kansas Ref is obsolete?

Nope. Just the word.

[crosscountry55]

Fran Martin. There’s a familiar name. I officiated one season in eastern Kansas eight years ago and I still vividly remember her annual rules seminar (she drove in from Topeka to give it….you know, like before Zoom was a thing).

She was already a legend in KS back then. I’m not surprised she’s now the national rules committee chair.


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[Raymond]

Will repeat, just because somebody in authority has a conversation doesn't make it an official statement or almost an official statement or just short of an official statement. You categorized her email exchange with a random official as an official interpretation. It wasn't and you were wrong for implying that it was.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

You categorized her email exchange with a random official as an official interpretation. It wasn't and you were wrong for implying that it was.

I was half joking, half sarcastic, thus my Oh Brother Where Art Thou "bona fide" reference, but I agree with Raymond that it didn't go over well and didn't, obviously, come across this way.

[Raymond]

I'm not going to abandon my point just because some random dude on the internet says I have to.

The player rose to their knees, without moving their left foot from its spot, and then purposely dribbled before continuing to get up to a standing position.

So as long as a player can keep one foot in the same position and doesn't move the other foot to a position that would help them stand up, I'll continue to consider this play legal.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I'm not going to abandon my point just because some random dude on the internet says I have to.

The player rose to their knees, without moving their left foot from its spot, and then purposely dribbled before continuing to get up to a standing position.

So as long as a player can keep one foot in the same position and doesn't move the other foot to a position that would help them stand up, I'll continue to consider this play legal.

There is no provision to my understanding to even have the foot stay in a basic position. I have no issues with not making a call in the play shown. And until the NF or my state says otherwise with a specific example, I am also not going to trust some dude that claims otherwise on the internet. Good discussion but the fact still remains. If they want this to be illegal, they have ways to make it be known. Otherwise, this is something not stated as illegal and I am not going to use only my personal feelings to make a call or not. They could stay coming to your knees after being on your stomach is illegal. Right now, no such wording.

Peace