jumper

[bbman]

Jump ball, blue jumper taps ball straight up. As ball comes down, blue jumper taps ball straight up again. As ball comes down blue jumper catches ball. Violation?

[bob jenkins]

Yes -- for catching the jump ball. Even if blue just taps it again it's a violation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes -- for catching the jump ball.

Agree.

6-3-7-C: Neither jumper must: Catch the ball before the jump ball ends.

6-3-8: The jump ball and the restrictions in 6-3-7 end when the touched ball contacts one of the eight non-jumpers, an official, the floor, a basket or backboard.

4-28-2: The jump ball begins when the ball leaves the official’s hand(s) and ends when the touched ball contacts a non-jumper, an official, the floor, a basket or backboard.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bbman

Jump ball, blue jumper taps ball straight up. As ball comes down, blue jumper taps ball straight up again. As ball comes down blue jumper catches ball. Violation?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, for catching the jump ball.

No need to reset game clock here as the first touch was a legal touch (unlike a ball touched by a jumper on the way up).

White ball at spot closest to the violation.

Alternating possession arrow goes to Blue and is set when ball is at disposal of White for the throwin.

After his early afternoon nap, Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying by to tell all of us how the alternating possession arrow throwin was handled back in ancient times when the alternating possession arrow was first invented.

Hint: Lose the BLANK, lose the BLANK.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by bbman

Jump ball, blue jumper taps ball straight up. As ball comes down, blue jumper taps ball straight up again. As ball comes down blue jumper catches ball. Violation?

Yes. Throw-in at the spot nearest to the violation, unless the ball is inbounded in the frontcourt under NCAAM or NCAAW rules. In that case, the nearest of 4 spots will be used. The shot clock will remain at 30 for NCAA play or 24 for NBA play, because a violation resets the shot clock to 20/14 or keeps the shot clock at the current value, whichever is greater. Since no team has control, the shot clock will not have started. Otherwise, the ball will go to White at the nearest spot.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Alternating possession arrow goes to Blue and is set when ball is at disposal of White for the throwin.

4-3: Alternating-possession control is established and the initial direction of the possession arrow is set toward the opponent’s basket when:
ART. 3 The ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower after:
a. A violation during or following the jump before a player secures control.

Tip o' the hat to Raymond for reminding us of this a few weeks ago.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Yes. Throw-in at the spot nearest to the violation, unless the ball is inbounded in the frontcourt under NCAAM or NCAAW rules. In that case, the nearest of 4 spots will be used.

A violation for catching the jump ball is NOT one of the reasons for using one of the four designated spots in NCAAW rules.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Yes. Throw-in at the spot nearest to the violation, unless the ball is inbounded in the frontcourt under NCAAM or NCAAW rules. In that case, the nearest of 4 spots will be used. The shot clock will remain at 30 for NCAA play or 24 for NBA play, because a violation resets the shot clock to 20/14 or keeps the shot clock at the current value, whichever is greater. Since no team has control, the shot clock will not have started. Otherwise, the ball will go to White at the nearest spot.

NCAA-M:

That applies if the offensive team RETAINS possession following a defensive foul or violation in the front court or a defensive violation in the back court. If a team gains possession in their FC following a foul or violation, the shot clock is set to 20 seconds, if in the BC it is set to 30.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

That applies if the offensive team RETAINS possession following a defensive foul or violation in the front court or a defensive violation in the back court. If a team gains possession in their FC following a foul or violation, the shot clock is set to 20 seconds, if in the BC it is set to 30.

Thanks for reminding me why I never wanted to understand NCAA basketball rules.

Also, rumor has it that Connecticut will go with a NFHS approved shot clock for all high school games (freshman, junior varsity, varsity) as early as next year. Some wanted it rushed as early as this year.

I'm perplexed.

Frugal principals, athletic directors, and coaches in Connecticut have stymied three person varsity (never even considering subvarsity) games for years, something that would really improve Connecticut high school basketball in every varsity game, yet the same principals, athletic directors, and coaches are jumping on the bandwagon for the chance to have high school shot clocks, something that would only improve a handful of games each season, and yet still be costly, originally for the equipment, and then ongoing for shot clock operators at the table.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Also, rumor has it that Connecticut will go with a NFHS approved shot clock for all high school games (freshman, junior varsity, varsity) as early as next year. Some wanted it rushed as early as this year.

I'm perplexed.

Frugal principals, athletic directors, and coaches have stymied three person varsity games for years, something that would really improve Connecticut high school basketball in every varsity game, yet the same principals, athletic directors, and coaches are jumping on the bandwagon for the chance to have high school shot clocks, something that would only improve a handful of games each season, and yet still be costly, originally for the equipment, and then ongoing for shot clock operators at the table.

Off-topic and sure to be revisited in future threads, but I wholly agree with this.

In our state (VA) clinic this year, it was pointed out that average possession time was only 14 seconds. HS players don’t care about offensive sets, they just want to go score! Furthermore, coaches were evenly split on the shot clock from state survey data, so with no clear mandate, VA will not be adopting it anytime soon.

I think that’s the right approach. VA took the “coolness factor” and emotion out of the equation and ended up with a rational decision.


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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Thanks for reminding me why I never wanted to understand NCAA basketball rules.

Also, rumor has it that Connecticut will go with a NFHS approved shot clock for all high school games (freshman, junior varsity, varsity) as early as next year. Some wanted it rushed as early as this year.

I'm perplexed.

Frugal principals, athletic directors, and coaches have stymied three person varsity games for years, something that would really improve Connecticut high school basketball in every varsity game, yet the same principals, athletic directors, and coaches are jumping on the bandwagon for the chance to have high school shot clocks, something that would only improve a handful of games each season, and yet still be costly, originally for the equipment, and then ongoing for shot clock operators at the table.

If the schools create more responsibility for the officials by adding a shot clock, then the officials should seek greater compensation per game.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

NCAA-M:

That applies if the offensive team RETAINS possession following a defensive foul or violation in the front court or a defensive violation in the back court. If a team gains possession in their FC following a foul or violation, the shot clock is set to 20 seconds, if in the BC it is set to 30.


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Same for NCAAW, except that kick, fist, thought the basket from below are the only violations to which this applies.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

“coolness factor”

I never realized it, but this may part of the equation. Probably shouldn't be, but it may be.

It's nowhere near to the level of an answer in search of a problem because there are certainly some valid reasons for shot clocks.

However, I wonder how often stakeholders in the game say, "Tonight's high school game could really use, and would be a lot better, with a shot clock".

Not as a general comment, but as a comment about that specific game with those two teams that night.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Raymond

NCAA-M:

That applies if the offensive team RETAINS possession following a defensive foul or violation in the front court or a defensive violation in the back court. If a team gains possession in their FC following a foul or violation, the shot clock is set to 20 seconds, if in the BC it is set to 30.


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That makes more sense. If in the frontcourt, White gets the ball with 20/14 seconds on the shot clock from one of the 4 designated spots (NCAAM) or at the nearest spot (NCAAW/NBA). If in the backcourt, White gets the ball at the nearest spot with the shot clock at 30/24.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

That makes more sense. If in the frontcourt, White gets the ball with 20/14 seconds on the shot clock from one of the 4 designated spots (NCAAM) or at the nearest spot (NCAAW/NBA). If in the backcourt, White gets the ball at the nearest spot with the shot clock at 30/24.

That is NOT true in the OP ( a jump ball violation) for NCAAW