IAABO Exam - Pulls Shirt Out ...

[BillyMac]

Attended a local IAABO Refresher Exam study group a few nights ago. We had about a dozen guys, some of whom are very good "rules guys". We didn't have an answer sheet. We disagreed on a few answers, even after taking deep dives into the rulebook and casebook.

23) A-1 is fouled in the act of shooting by B-1. As A-1 goes to the free throw line, he pulls his shirt out. A-1 does not correct his uniform. The officials allow A-1 to shoot the free throws with no one along the lane and then direct him to leave the game. Are the officials correct?

3.3.5 Situation A: B1 fouls A1. Just before A1 goes to the line for a one-and-one, the official observes: (a) A1 pull the jersey out of his/her pants; or (b) A1’s pants being worn below the hips. Ruling: In both (a) and (b), A1 will be directed to put the jersey in the pants or pull up the pants, and must leave the game immediately following his/her last free throw(s). The lane is cleared for the free throw and Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in, whether or not the last free throw is successful. Comment: A charged time-out by Team A does not alter the requirement for A1 to leave the game.

I say that the official was incorrect. 3.3.5 Situation A implies that A1 will only shoot after he puts the jersey in his pants. In the question A-1 does not correct his uniform.

What say you?

[Raymond]

Situation implies the player does not fix his jersey before being addressed by the officials, therefore he is going to be removed from the game.

You are adding criteria to the question.

Your answer is wrong.

Point of the question is for officials to clear the lane for the free throws and then remove the player.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Point of the question is for officials to clear the lane for the free throws and then remove the player.

Agree that that's the main point of the question.

However, the casebook play states "and", meaning both, direct to fix the jersey "and" leave the game immediately following last free throw.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

3.3.5 Situation A: ... A1 will be directed to put the jersey in the pants or pull up the pants, and must leave the game immediately following his/her last free throw(s) ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Situation implies the player does not fix his jersey before being addressed by the officials, therefore he is going to be removed from the game.

Do you mean that the player is directed to fix the jersey, and when he doesn't comply, he shoots with the untucked jersey and then leaves the game? If he had complied, he wouldn't have had to leave the game?

If that's the case, the casebook play is worded poorly ("and"), not the exam question.

[Raymond]

It's another stupidly written question where semantics are being discussed instead of the actual teaching point.



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

It's another stupidly written question where semantics are being discussed instead of the actual teaching point.

Agree, but believe it's the semantics of the casebook play along with the semantics of the exam question.

[Raymond]

If they want to make it all about the wording, then do multiple choice with one of the choices being the exact, specific correct answer, and then other choices that are close but leave something out.

But otherwise, I'm answering based on the teaching point.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I'm answering based on the teaching point.

It's much better now, but IAABO International has a history of "gotcha" questions, with questions differing from the rulebook or casebook language by a single word.

I'm considered to be a pretty good "rules guy, so I'm all for the exam being a teaching vehicle, I learn something new every year, but there are others on my local board who have a full year of assignments in jeopardy if they don't pass the exam, or take remedial rules classes.

If the exam had fair, well worded questions about the rules, and not about semantics, then it's fair that they lose games (or are forced to take remedial rules classes) because they don't know the rules very well.

But if they fail due to several poorly worded, "gotcha" questions, based on how well one understands semantics, where it's more of a reading test rather than a test of how well one knows the rules, that just doesn't seem right to me.

IAABO International should do a better job writing it's exams.

Locally, we've had so many exam problems over the years with these always open book IAABO International exams that my local board has encouraged, organized, and publicized exam study groups, even providing answer sheets to these study group leaders (no more answer sheets, we're trying a new study group model), "legalizing cheating" to keep the failure numbers down.

One had to be the laziest official in the world to fail the exam on my local board. We had to make the local process of passing the IAABO International exam so easy that the exam was no longer a test of one's rules knowledge, but a test of something else.

A better IAABO International exam would mean that we wouldn't have to hand a passing score to our local guys on a silver platter. A well written exam would identify the guys that truly need remedial classes (or no assigned games).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do you mean that the player is directed to fix the jersey, and when he doesn't comply, he shoots with the untucked jersey and then leaves the game? If he had complied, he wouldn't have had to leave the game?

By the way, I actually think that this (above) is the intent and purpose of the rule and casebook play, it's just poorly worded in the casebook play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... my local board has encouraged, organized, and publicized exam study groups, even providing answer sheets to these study group leaders (no more answer sheets, we're trying a new study group model), "legalizing cheating" to keep the failure numbers down ...

Old model was several publicized study groups with leaders having answer sheets. One had to show one's completed exam to get into such a group, like a "ticket" into the study group. No completed exam meant no entry into the study group. Simply attending the study group was considered a "passing score". Only those that failed to attend a study group had to submit their exams for scoring. Failing the exam (after not attending a study group) means to not get any assignments for the season, or to be forced to take remedial rules classes.

That was the "silver platter" model. Play eeny, meeny, miny, moe, fill in random yeses and nos on one's exam, show up at a study group on time, show one's "completed" exam, sign in to prove attendance, pay only half attention, with minimal participation, during the study session, don't leave the study group early, get a full assignment schedule for the season.

New model (this year) is several publicized study groups, those who wish to attend (totally optional) show up with, or without, a completed exam. However, no answer sheets are available. All have to submit their exams for scoring, whether one attends a study group, or not. Failing the exam means to not get any assignments for the season, or to be forced to take remedial rules classes.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Situation implies the player does not fix his jersey before being addressed by the officials, therefore he is going to be removed from the game.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

23) A-1 is fouled in the act of shooting by B-1. As A-1 goes to the free throw line, he pulls his shirt out. A-1 does not correct his uniform. The officials allow A-1 to shoot the free throws with no one along the lane and then direct him to leave the game. Are the officials correct?

And nowhere does the question state that A1 is directed by an official to put the jersey in his pants.

Thus, incorrect.

I'm not a professional exam question writer, nor do I play one on television, but I betcha that I could still do a better job than IAABO, if not on the entire exam, then certainly on this particular topic.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Situation implies the player does not fix his jersey before being addressed by the officials, therefore he is going to be removed from the game.

What if he quickly, politely, and quietly fixes the jersey after being asked to do so? Still has to leave?

There are so many things wrong with this poorly worded question.

I don't know if I got this question wrong, or not (I passed, that's what counts), but I don't really care anymore about IAABO's stupid question.

Even with no IAABO, I can't figure out exactly what the NFHS wants in these situations.

3-3-5:A player not wearing the pants/skirt properly and above the hips and/or a player not tucking in a team jersey (front and back) designed to be worn inside the pants/skirt, must be directed to leave the game as in 3-3-4; a charged time-out must not alter this requirement.

3.3.5 Situation A: B1 fouls A1. Just before A1 goes to the line for a one-and-one, the official observes: (a) A1 pull the jersey out of his/her pants; or (b) A1’s pants being worn below the hips. Ruling: In both (a) and (b), A1 will be directed to put the jersey in the pants or pull up the pants, and must leave the game immediately following his/her last free throw(s). The lane is cleared for the free throw and Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in, whether or not the last free throw is successful. Comment: A charged time-out by Team A does not alter the requirement for A1 to leave the game.

Can A-1 shoot free throws with his jersey untucked, and then leave?

Casebook says that A1 will be directed to put the jersey in his pants, it doesn't say if he actually does it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

23) A-1 is fouled in the act of shooting by B-1. As A-1 goes to the free throw line, he pulls his shirt out. A-1 does not correct his uniform. The officials allow A-1 to shoot the free throws with no one along the lane and then direct him to leave the game. Are the officials correct?

3.3.5 Situation A: B1 fouls A1. Just before A1 goes to the line for a one-and-one, the official observes: (a) A1 pull the jersey out of his/her pants; or (b) A1’s pants being worn below the hips. Ruling: In both (a) and (b), A1 will be directed to put the jersey in the pants or pull up the pants, and must leave the game immediately following his/her last free throw(s). The lane is cleared for the free throw and Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in, whether or not the last free throw is successful. Comment: A charged time-out by Team A does not alter the requirement for A1 to leave the game.

Originally Posted by Raymond

It's another stupidly written question where semantics are being discussed instead of the actual teaching point.

IAABO says that the official is correct and uses the casebook play 3.3.5 Situation A as the citation. I should have just kept it simple and followed the interpretation of the casebook play instead of trying to fight city hall. After taking these IAABO Refresher Exams for over forty years, I should have known better.