IL Test Question

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The answer that I have is B. That is what we agreed on tonight at least.

I can verify that one, but that is what we had.

Peace

And, thus, why I asked -- to see if I missed something, or mis-read the question or if I just disagree with the apparently official answer.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

A I missed something.
B) Misread the question.
C) Disagree with the apparently official answer.

My answer is C) Disagree with the apparently official answer (The AP arrow is set to team A's basket when the throw-in is completed).

4-3: Alternating-possession control is established and the initial direction of the possession arrow is set toward the opponent’s basket when:
ART. 3 The ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower after:
a. A violation during or following the jump before a player secures control.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Team A violates during the game's opening jump ball.

The AP arrow is set to team A's basket when the ball is placed at team B's disposal for the throw-in.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And, thus, why I asked -- to see if I missed something, or mis-read the question or if I just disagree with the apparently official answer.

Are you saying "B" has been noted as the correct answer by the test-giving organization?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Are you saying "B" has been noted as the correct answer by the test-giving organization?

Apparently JRutledge has "verified" it. But his wording ("but") seems somewhat ambiguous.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The answer that I have is B. That is what we agreed on tonight at least. I can verify that one, but that is what we had.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Apparently JRutledge has "verified" it. But his wording ("but") seems somewhat ambiguous.

It was the right answer according to folks that have taken or were involved in writing the test.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Are you saying "B" has been noted as the correct answer by the test-giving organization?

So I've been told. :shrug: -- stuff happens -- a similar question (with the correct answer) was on last year's test. maybe they changed the question and the new question didn't make it to the test along with the new answers, or maybe there were multiple drafts of the answers and an incorrect one got posted...

I'm more interested in learning / teaching the right rule than in assessing the question.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm more interested in learning / teaching the right rule than in assessing the question.

Attended a local IAABO Refresher Exam study group last night. We had about a dozen guys, some of whom are very good "rules guys". We didn't have an answer sheet. We all agreed on about 80% of the answers that we brought to the group. Another 10% we agreed upon after taking deep dives into the rulebook and casebook.

It was that last 10% that was difficult. Despite taking many deep dives into the rulebook and casebook, we still could not agree on some answers, even with the rule or casebook play in front of us.

Why the disagreement? Not because of the wording of the rule or the casebook play, but because of the poor ambiguous wording of the question.

IAABO should hire some retired SAT or ACT question writers to edit the wording of these questions.

Like bob jenkins said, the good news was that we all learned a lot last night.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Are you saying "B" has been noted as the correct answer by the test-giving organization?

If he is not saying that, I am saying that. It was considered to be the right answer at the time of my post.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And, thus, why I asked -- to see if I missed something, or mis-read the question or if I just disagree with the apparently official answer.

I am not saying that is ultimately the right answer, but according to the information discussed, that was the answer. I think it is a bad question as many times there are bad questions. Clearly, it appears this is not correct based on what was stated earlier.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think it is a bad question as many times there are bad questions.

I actually liked the question, thought that it was well worded, thought provoking, and a good test of what we know.

I did not like that the correct answer was (probably), "None of the above".

Good questions deserve good answers, answers that help us to learn, or to show what we know.

Forty-five years ago, back in college, when I was preparing to become a teacher, we were taught to never have a multiple choice test question with "None of the above" as any answer.

“None of the above,” as either the correct or incorrect response, increases question difficulty without increasing discrimination between high and low-scoring students. If students can identify a likely option, “none of the above” is eliminated, reducing the number of distractors.

[Camron Rust]

The rule here, while not commonly needed, really isn't complicated. As was cited, the arrow is set when the ball is put at the disposal of the thrower and is set to the team not being granted the throwin.

That makes D the correct answer since A and B both set the arrow at the wrong time and C sets it to the wrong team.

The question and answers are very clear and there is no ambiguity that I can see in the question. Whoever declared B as the right answer just got it wrong.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The rule here, while not commonly needed, really isn't complicated. As was cited, the arrow is set when the ball is put at the disposal of the thrower and is set to the team not being granted the throwin.

That make D the correct answer since A and B both set the arrow at the wrong time and C sets it to the wrong team.

The question and answers are very clear and there is no ambiguity that I can see in the question. Whoever declared B as the right answer just got it wrong.

Of course. Happens every year. Someone trying to be nuanced and does not put all the pieces together properly. I am sure this will be thrown out. It was not my question this year, so I was good.

Peace