IL Test Question

[ilyazhito]

I would say D. The arrow is set to A's basket when B has the ball at their disposal for the throw-in. It's a strange rule, because the throw-in is not an AP throw-in. This is because possession was already determined by awarding the free throws. Under any other rule set, this discussion would be moot, because we would shoot free throws and return to the point of interruption, the opening jump ball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

This is because possession was already determined by awarding the free throws.

What FTs?

[ilyazhito]

I had a similar question on my test, but my example included free throws for a pre-game technical foul. I was surprised why they would say that the arrow should be set at the throw-in, and not when the free throws are awarded, because, at least in high school basketball, technical fouls include awarding possession.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I had a similar question on my test, but my example included free throws for a pre-game technical foul. I was surprised why they would say that the arrow should be set at the throw-in, and not when the free throws are awarded, because, at least in high school basketball, technical fouls include awarding possession.

The penalty for a technical foul is free throws followed by a throw-in. You don't set the initial arrow until you fully penalize, which is when the ball is live for the throw-in. Based on your logic, if Team A were shooting the free throws and Team A then got a technical prior to the throw-in, Team B would then shoot free throws, then get a throw-in, plus have the AP Arrow based on it being set when Team A shot its free throws.

[ilyazhito]

A gets possession based on the free throws. Therefore, the throw-in following the possession is technically not an AP throw-in. This means that whatever happens after A gains possession (via the free throws) is irrelevant. The arrow only comes into play the next time there is a situation involving unclear possession (whether at the start of the next period or sooner, due to a held ball). AP throw-ins are triggered by a disputed possession situation (start of period, held ball, ball stuck in the ring, double foul with no possession, etc.), so if another throw-in is required after the AP throw-in starts (e.g. B kicks the ball on an AP throw-in) or before the AP throw-in (e.g. a player gets a technical foul after possession is awarded, but before the throw-in is administered.), then the subsequent throw-in is not an AP throw-in. I actually had a situation in a JV game where I awarded an AP throw-in, but never administered it, because a player on the team that would have gotten the ball clapped in an opponent's face. I assessed a technical foul to the clapping player, an opponent shot two free throws, and the opponents got the ball. Because the AP throw-in was not administered, the arrow did not change, and the team who "won" the AP throw-in got to throw the ball in at the start of the next quarter.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

A gets possession based on the free throws. Therefore, the throw-in following the possession is technically not an AP throw-in. This means that whatever happens after A gains possession (via the free throws) is irrelevant. The arrow only comes into play the next time there is a situation involving unclear possession (whether at the start of the next period or sooner, due to a held ball). AP throw-ins are triggered by a disputed possession situation (start of period, held ball, ball stuck in the ring, double foul with no possession, etc.), so if another throw-in is required after the AP throw-in starts (e.g. B kicks the ball on an AP throw-in) or before the AP throw-in (e.g. a player gets a technical foul after possession is awarded, but before the throw-in is administered.), then the subsequent throw-in is not an AP throw-in. I actually had a situation in a JV game where I awarded an AP throw-in, but never administered it, because a player on the team that would have gotten the ball clapped in an opponent's face. I assessed a technical foul to the clapping player, an opponent shot two free throws, and the opponents got the ball. Because the AP throw-in was not administered, the arrow did not change, and the team who "won" the AP throw-in got to throw the ball in at the start of the next quarter.

I'm not really following your train of thought based on your original statement.

Bottom-line, the INITIAL setting of the arrow doesn't happen until the ball is ready to be ALIVE (to use an NBA term). We could have a mess of stuff happen before the first throw-in. They don't want the AP arrow INITIALLY set until all the dead-ball scenarios are out of the way.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Bottom-line, the INITIAL setting of the arrow doesn't happen until the ball is ready to be ALIVE (to use an NBA term).

Like when we have a common foul (while in the bonus) between the toss of the jump ball to start an overtime period and before anybody gains control.

We'll have rebounders on the lane and we set the alternating possession arrow when the ball is at the disposal of the free throw shooter.

[ilyazhito]

What I meant was that once an event occurs that establishes possession, the AP arrow is set. That means that the subsequent throw-in is not an AP throw-in, so the arrow won't be affected by the ball being thrown in (or not).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

A gets possession based on the free throws.

I stopped reading after this -- there are NO FTs in the OP. Giving FTs for A's "violation during a jump ball" opens up a whole new can of worm (BM -- do NOT post some picture related to this).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

(BM -- do NOT post some picture related to this).

Party pooper.