10 seconds

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

If the shot is considerably short, a legit argument can be made we have to call 10 seconds.

Once you deem it to be a "shot" (as you definitely did in your post), it's a shot and there's no going back.

[JRutledge]

IF there is a shot then this is not relevant. If it is pass, it could still be ruled a violation. I was overthinking the first response.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

IF there is a shot then this is not relevant. If it is pass, it could still be ruled a violation.

Agree. The "hard part" here is not the rule, it's the judgement as to whether it's a shot (last second makes this easier), or a pass.

And then there could be something else if it is a pass. Just because it can be ruled a ten second violation, should it be ruled a ten second violation in a real game in real time (as compared to a written test question).

At exactly the ten second mark, some (not all) may consider this (long pass) a "gotcha" call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. The "hard part" here is not the rule, it's the judgement as to whether it's a shot (last second makes this easier), or a pass.

And then there could be something else if it is a pass. Just because it can be ruled a ten second violation, should it be ruled a ten second violation in a real game in real time (as compared to a written test question).

At exactly the ten second mark, some (not all) may consider this (long pass) a "gotcha" call.

I disagree with the last part. Mostly because at the NCAA level for example and the usage of the shot clock, you have to call a violation if the ball is in the air. I use the same logic in a high school game with no shot clock. But again this might be an issue when or if the shot clock is used if the clock is used for a high school game in the coming years. If the team is lazy or the defense forces them to not get the ball across properly, not my issue IMO. Believe it or not, I have not gotten any crap when calling it that way. Happens a few times a year.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Mostly because at the NCAA level for example and the usage of the shot clock, you have to call a violation if the ball is in the air ... If the team is lazy or the defense forces them to not get the ball across properly, not my issue IMO. Believe it or not, I have not gotten any crap when calling it that way. Happens a few times a year.

Agree with shot clock forcing the call. No choice but to call it.

Regarding lazy offense, or great defense, I also agree.

I've called it a few times in my forty year career, but it was a really lazy offense, or a really great defense, or a really, really long and high pass (hang time).

Even then, I felt like I was showing off, "I know the rule. Gotcha".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree with shot clock forcing the call. No choice but to call it.

Regarding lazy offense, or great defense, I also agree.

I've called it a few times in my forty year career, but it was a really lazy offense, or a really great defense, or a really, really long and high pass.

Even then, I felt like I was showing off, "I know the rule. Gotcha".

Don't put me in that situation and you have nothing to worry about. And I have a visible count.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And I have a visible count.

As we all do, and now with every grandmother in the bleachers having a high definition video camera in their cellphone, and publishing the video on My Space for all to see, it's a call that has to be made.