10 seconds

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

Team A has the ball in their backcourt. Official's count is at 9. A1 decides to take a shot. As the try is in flight, the official reaches a 10-count and then three point attempt/ basket subsequently goes.
Should the official have continued their count? Violation? Or successful 3 point try?

Try ends team control and ten second count.

Here's the "rules coverage":

9-8: A player must not be, nor may his/her team be, in continuous control of the ball which is in his/her backcourt for 10 seconds.

4-12-2: A team is in control of the ball:
a. When a player of the team is in control.
b. While a live ball is being passed among teammates.
4-12-3-a: Team control continues until: The ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal.

Now ask about a long pass.

[Valley Man]

Yeah I know the count continues on a long pass.

I was aware of both of those accounts.

I think a legit shot we stop our count and the goal is good.

If the shot is considerably short, a legit argument can be made we have to call 10 seconds.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

If the shot is considerably short, a legit argument can be made we have to call 10 seconds.

Once you deem it to be a "shot" (as you definitely did in your post), it's a shot and there's no going back.

[JRutledge]

IF there is a shot then this is not relevant. If it is pass, it could still be ruled a violation. I was overthinking the first response.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

IF there is a shot then this is not relevant. If it is pass, it could still be ruled a violation.

Agree. The "hard part" here is not the rule, it's the judgement as to whether it's a shot (last second makes this easier), or a pass.

And then there could be something else if it is a pass. Just because it can be ruled a ten second violation, should it be ruled a ten second violation in a real game in real time (as compared to a written test question).

At exactly the ten second mark, some (not all) may consider this (long pass) a "gotcha" call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. The "hard part" here is not the rule, it's the judgement as to whether it's a shot (last second makes this easier), or a pass.

And then there could be something else if it is a pass. Just because it can be ruled a ten second violation, should it be ruled a ten second violation in a real game in real time (as compared to a written test question).

At exactly the ten second mark, some (not all) may consider this (long pass) a "gotcha" call.

I disagree with the last part. Mostly because at the NCAA level for example and the usage of the shot clock, you have to call a violation if the ball is in the air. I use the same logic in a high school game with no shot clock. But again this might be an issue when or if the shot clock is used if the clock is used for a high school game in the coming years. If the team is lazy or the defense forces them to not get the ball across properly, not my issue IMO. Believe it or not, I have not gotten any crap when calling it that way. Happens a few times a year.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Mostly because at the NCAA level for example and the usage of the shot clock, you have to call a violation if the ball is in the air ... If the team is lazy or the defense forces them to not get the ball across properly, not my issue IMO. Believe it or not, I have not gotten any crap when calling it that way. Happens a few times a year.

Agree with shot clock forcing the call. No choice but to call it.

Regarding lazy offense, or great defense, I also agree.

I've called it a few times in my forty year career, but it was a really lazy offense, or a really great defense, or a really, really long and high pass (hang time).

Even then, I felt like I was showing off, "I know the rule. Gotcha".

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

If the shot is considerably short, a legit argument can be made we have to call 10 seconds.

As described, such a legit argument cannot be made. No matter how faulty it turned out, the official's judgment was that the play was a shot.

No,w if you said "if the BALL is considerably short...." then you can have an argument about judging this to be a shot.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Now ask about a long pass.

Here's the "rules coverage":

9.8 SITUATION A: A1 is in A’s backcourt and has dribbled for nine seconds and then passes the ball forward towards A2 in the frontcourt. While the ball is in the air traveling from backcourt to frontcourt, the 10-second count is reached. RULING: Violation by Team A as the ball has not gained frontcourt location. It is B’s ball for a throw-in from the out-of-bounds spot closest to where A1 released the ball on the pass toward A2. (4-3; 7-5-2)