Fun With An Off The Ball Foul …

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If one doesn't catch the first foul, one might end up calling a double foul.

Originally Posted by Raymond

The first foul is on Blue for sticking his hand into White's chest ... Get the first foul, not the reaction to the first foul.

Agree.

But how "close" do the first foul and reactive contact have to be to consider a double personal foul instead of a single foul?

4-19-8-A: A double personal foul is a situation in which two opponents commit personal fouls against each other at approximately the same time.

Technically, the first foul creates a dead ball (the foul not the whistle), meaning that in order for the reactive contact to be a "foul" (and not ignored) it would have to be a dead ball technical intentional foul, or dead ball technical flagrant foul.

Can't be a double personal foul since both aren't personal. Can't be a double technical foul because both aren't technical. False double?

Ignore the reactive contact because it may not be intentional, or flagrant?

Interesting situation, more complicated than I initially thought. Thinking about it too much will eventually give me a headache.

Keeping it simple, in a real game, in real time, I'm leaning toward two possible interpretations.

In order of preference, single personal foul on Blue #2, or double personal foul on Blue #2 and White #24.

That's my story and I'm probably going to stick to it (until I change my mind).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

That's my story and I'm probably going to stick to it (until I change my mind).

How about ignore the very first arm into the chest (as the officials did), and call a personal double foul for the "scrum" action of the continued arm to the chest by Blue #2 and the arm grab by White #24?

This (below) may be the best, and simplest, interpretation:

Originally Posted by Raymond

The first foul is on Blue for sticking his hand into White's chest ... Get the first foul ...

Ball becomes dead. Dead ball reactive contact isn't intentional or flagrant. Personal foul on Blue #2. No bonus. White ball on far sideline. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.