Fun With Switching …

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Yep

The only possible issue here is if the state / association uses different mechanics (punch; no long switch)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The only possible issue here is if the state / association uses different mechanics (punch; no long switch)

Which is the case in Oregon. This would have been the correct signal and the correct non-switch.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The only possible issue here is if the state / association uses different mechanics (..., no long switch)

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Which is the case in Oregon. This would have been the correct ... non-switch.

We tried no long switches here in Connecticut several years ago.

Our state guideline was no long switch when the ball will stay in the backcourt and when there will be no change in possession.

Best example was a ball handler getting fouled in the backcourt before the bonus was in effect.

Either because many didn't understand the guideline, or because many were lazy, officials didn't switch when they were supposed to, and we often saw no switching during plays when we were supposed to switch, like the play shown in the video (which included a change in possession).

When the IAABO Grand Poobahs observed this in our Connecticut state tournament finals, IAABO International put the kibosh on our short-lived (maybe one year, no more than two years) Connecticut no long switch experiment.

Too bad, I liked the no long switch mechanic (remember it's two person in Connecticut, so a long switch can occasionally be really, really long). It was our own fault, we screwed the pooch.

What does no long switch actually mean in states that use it, like Oregon? Please define. Thanks.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

We tried no long switches here in Connecticut several years ago.

Our state guideline was no long switch when the ball will stay in the backcourt and when there will be no change in possession.

Best example was a ball handler getting fouled in the backcourt before the bonus was in effect.

Either because many didn't understand the guideline, or because many were lazy, officials didn't switch when they were supposed to, and we often saw no switching during plays when we were supposed to switch, like the play shown in the video (which included a change in possession).

When the IAABO Grand Poobahs observed this in our Connecticut state tournament finals, IAABO International put the kibosh on our short-lived (maybe one year, no more than two years) Connecticut no long switch experiment.

Too bad, I liked the no long switch mechanic (remember it's two person in Connecticut, so a long switch can occasionally be really, really long). It was our own fault, we screwed the pooch.

What does no long switch actually mean in states that use it, like Oregon? Please define. Thanks.

The way we're doing it is that when the lead calls an offensive foul, they return to become the trail. Also, when the trail calls a defensive foul in the backcourt, the trail returns.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Our state guideline was no long switch when the ball will stay in the backcourt and when there will be no change in possession. Best example was a ball handler getting fouled in the backcourt before the bonus was in effect.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The way we're going it is that when the lead calls an offensive foul, they return to become the trail. Also, when the trail calls a defensive foul in the backcourt, the trail returns.

Thanks Camron Rust. The second part of the Oregon system (backcourt) sounds like what we were trying to do, and failed to do, in Connecticut.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... when the lead calls an offensive foul, they return to become the trail.

I don't understand what is so "long" about this (offensive foul) switch?

It seems no "longer" than the usual switch when the lead calls a defensive foul?

Keep in mind that my mind always defaults to two person mechanics.

[JRutledge]

He got RFTO!!!! PC Foul all the way.

Peace

[JRutledge]

In Illinois, we would call this foul, report the foul in the reporting area and switch with the New Trail and become the New Lead. We only long switch when the lead calls a foul (or the other officials are in the half-court set). And they switch to the table side and the lead only comes off the endline if they are on the endline.

Peace