NCAAM shot clock violation rule request

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Do you mean where they put the ball?

This was my main concern. The adding of time to the game clock is a secondary concern.
On an airball from the top of the key (outside the 3pt arc) is the location of the ball and hence the spot of the violation the release point by the shooter if the horn sounds while the ball is in flight? If so, a sideline throw-in seems correct as opposed to a spot on the endline.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This was my main concern. The adding of time to the game clock is a secondary concern.
On an airball from the top of the key (outside the 3pt arc) is the location of the ball and hence the spot of the violation the release point by the shooter if the horn sounds while the ball is in flight? If so, a sideline throw-in seems correct as opposed to a spot on the endline.

I see where you're getting at Nevada and had this discussion during my pre-games. It was explained to me like this (and it makes sense): there is NO team control on an attempted FG try. The violation occurs when the ball does NOT hit the rim. The ball is to be inbounded at the designated spot nearest to where the violation occurred; which would be the endline.

This is different from a 10-second backcourt violation if the ball that was still in the air was passed from the BC to the FC. There is still team control on a pass; thus the ball would be inbounded by the new offense at the nearest designated spot in the new FC from where the pass originated.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This was my main concern. The adding of time to the game clock is a secondary concern.
On an airball from the top of the key (outside the 3pt arc) is the location of the ball and hence the spot of the violation the release point by the shooter if the horn sounds while the ball is in flight? If so, a sideline throw-in seems correct as opposed to a spot on the endline.

There's a specific NCAAW interp that the violation is on the endline. I assume NCAAM is the same. And, the time is the time when the ball passes below the rim (that might not be the exact wording, but it's the practical effect).

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's a specific NCAAW interp that the violation is on the endline. I assume NCAAM is the same. And, the time is the time when the ball passes below the rim (that might not be the exact wording, but it's the practical effect).

I would appreciate it if someone could post these NCAA interpretations because by the definition of ball location, the spot of the violation would be from where the try was released.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I would appreciate it if someone could post these NCAA interpretations because by the definition of ball location, the spot of the violation would be from where the try was released.

The spot of the throw-in would be at the endline as the violation occurred when the ball did not hit the rim. If horn sounded when the ball was still in his hands at the top of the key, that is where the violation would have occurred.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

The spot of the throw-in would be at the endline as the violation occurred when the ball did not hit the rim. If horn sounded when the ball was still in his hands at the top of the key, that is where the violation would have occurred.

You are failing to grasp that the location of the ball in the air, which fails to contact the ring or backboard, and has also not contacted the floor prior to the horn sounding is by definition at the spot from where the player released the try.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You are failing to grasp that the location of the ball in the air, which fails to contact the ring or backboard, and has also not contacted the floor prior to the horn sounding is by definition at the spot from where the player released the try.

I totally understand where you are getting at in relation to the ball being in the air on a FG try.
Ask yourself this.

If the shot is released before horn sounds and the ball is in flight when the horn does sound, do you blow your whistle at that point to call the violation? No.

You wait to see if the ball hits the rim or not. That is when you determine if that shot clock violation occurred; it does not occur in mid-flight. The spot of the violation is when the ball failed to hit the rim. That is why a violation is still called if the defensive team catches an airball.

There is no team control on a shot. If the violation occurred during a pass between teammates, then you would inbound it closest to the designated spot from where the pass came from.

[bob jenkins]

This is from an "ask Jon" (Levinson, secretary-rules editor):
DATE:

1/13/2020

RULE:

9-11 also A.R. 260 (2)

QUESTION:

Play one - A1 is dribbling the ball at the top of the key with 3 seconds left on the shot clock. A1 does not recognize that they are close to a shot clock violation and continues to dribble until the shot clock hit 0. So we have a shot clock violation by A1 and the ball will be placed to the spot nearest the violation. So it will be place on the side line nearest the violation.

Play two - A1 is dribbling the ball at the top of the key with 3 seconds left on the shot clock. A1 recognizes that they are about to commit a shot clock violation. A1 shots the ball, while the ball is in the air the shot clock hits 0. The ball does not hit the rim and lands on the floor. Where do we in-bound the ball?

We had several different thoughts and never came up with the exact answer. So where is the violation, at the point of the shot or at the spot of where the ball hit the floor after not hitting the rim. Can you please help to clarify this for me? I am struggling finding the correct ruling.

ANSWER:

In play 1, because a player is in control of the ball, the out-of-bounds spot is the spot nearest to there the ball was located (player in control of the ball) (Rule 9-11 Penalty) The rule is the same for Play 2; that is, the out of bounds spot is nearest to where the ball is located when the violation occurs. In this play, the violation does not occur until the try fails to strike the ring or flange (Rule 9-11.4). It does not occur when the try is in flight (the shot-clock horn sounds) because the try was released before the expiration of the shot-clock period and the try does not end until it is successful or not. If the try falls just short of, and not striking, the ring, the throw-in spot for the violation is the end line.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I would appreciate it if someone could post these NCAA interpretations because by the definition of ball location, the spot of the violation would be from where the try was released.

There are several references to a shot clock violation and the throw-in taking place at the nearest spot of the violation. So if the shot is outside the 3 point line, I would assume as long as the violation took place when the ball is in the air, I would assume it would go on the sideline in most of those cases (it could go on the endline if ball shot in the corner). But it does not seem to specifically reference where. I think for a long time people assumed that was always on the endline if the shot missed the rim from outside somewhere. Then there has been some discussion about putting it where the shot took place. I have even wondered if the shot misses the ring, but hits the floor under the basket, is that spot the endline too?

Peace