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Old Thu Apr 01, 2021, 12:18pm
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And what is ironic is that now for NCAA Men's, all signals for PC and TC foul are the "hand behind the head" signal. So NF might be going away from it but college Men's ran to that signal.

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Old Thu Apr 01, 2021, 12:23pm
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And what is ironic is that now for NCAA Men's, all signals for PC and TC foul are the "hand behind the head" signal.
Not a college guy, but from what I've read on the Forum (my only source of college stuff), I thought the same myself.
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Old Thu Apr 01, 2021, 12:56pm
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Not a college guy, but from what I've read on the Forum (my source of college stuff), I thought the same myself.
You do not have to be a college guy to know that Men's changed their mechanic. They had several confusing signals in the NCAA Tournament that seemed to prompt the change. Just interesting in this area the philosophies and why they do things differently or want to do things differently.

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Old Thu Apr 01, 2021, 01:34pm
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You do not have to be a college guy to know that Men's changed their mechanic.
I don't watch a lot of college (or professorial) basketball on television so everything I know about college officiating I learn from the Forum. If it wasn't for the Forum, I wouldn't know that the NCAA went to the "hand behind the head" signal for both player control and team control fouls.

Even though some of our local board guys officiate college games, our local board is strictly a high school board that only teaches and discusses high school rules and mechanics.

The only reason I give half a thought to college rules is to prepare for debates with confused high school coaches that watch a lot of Saturday afternoon college basketball on television, and a few partners who work a lot of college games and know college rules better than high school rules (also to work Connecticut private prep school games that use some college rules).
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Old Tue Apr 06, 2021, 12:38pm
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IAABO Survey Says …

Disclaimer: For IAABO eyes only. Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO International interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum.

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IAABO Play Commentary: Correct Answer: This is a player control foul.

White #14 cuts to the basket, receives the ball and starts a dribble, and contacts a secondary defender (Black #1) in the lane. Black #1 obtained legal guarding position (LGP) by having both feet touching the playing court the front of her torso facing the opponent. (4-23-2) The contact caused by White #14 displaces Black #1 and is properly ruled a foul by the Lead official. Because White #14 was in control of the ball when the foul occurred, this is a player control foul. (4-19-6)

The Lead official incorrectly demonstrates the team control foul signal at the site of the foul. The player control foul signal should have been displayed by placing a hand behind the head. (IAABO manual p. 239)

After ruling a foul, the ruling official should hustle to the reporting area. Stop. Complete all reporting information – verbalize uniform color, signal the player’s number, signal the type of foul. (IAABO manual p. 249)

It should be noted that when the team control signal is needed, it should not be demonstrated by using a "punching" motion. (IAABO manual p. 239) When signaling, be professional, by using signals in a manner which is calm, unhurried, and under control. (IAABO manual p. 233 Section C)


Here is the breakdown of the IAABO members that commented on the video: This is a player control foul 85% (including me). The defensive player "flopped" 12%. This is a blocking foul 3%.
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