Fun With Signals ...

[BillyMac]

IAABO Make The Call Video

Was this contact properly ruled a charging foul? Did the Lead official use proper signals to rule the contact a player control foul?

https://storage.googleapis.com/refqu...V7Hpo0Ug%3D%3D

Reminder: IAABO uses its own mechanics and signals (which doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum), that may not necessarily be the same as NFHS mechanics and signals.

Three choices: This is a player control foul. This is a blocking foul. The defensive player "flopped".

My comment: This is a player control foul. Defender Black #1 obtained legal guarding position in the lane and ball handler White #14 knocked her over. Lead gave an incorrect signal (the team control signal) for the player control foul, didn’t go all the way to the reporting area to report the foul, and it appears that she wasn’t going to switch with her partner (probably local customs).

[bob jenkins]

PC (or maybe TC if the ball was already loose, but that's splitting hairs) foul.

I'll leave the signalling out, because it depends on what's in use in a given area (and whether the official judged it to be TC or PC).

[JRutledge]

Clearly a PC foul. Yes, she uses the wrong signal, but only people that might care is the supervisor or state organization that assigns this game.

But she did raise her hand for the foul which is the part I liked the most.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... maybe TC if the ball was already loose ... what's in use in a given area (and whether the official judged it to be TC or PC).

Agree. I had to watch the video twice to see if the ball had popped loose before, or after the contact (it was after), hard to see by the Lead on the other side of the lane.

Regarding "areas", we experimented with "no long switches" here in Connecticut for year, or two, and went back to long switches because officials weren't switching on player control fouls even though they were explicitly told that this was not to be considered a long switch (because there was a change in possession). I think that we got our wrists slapped by IAABO International after a State tournament final observation by such. It's possible that some local, or state, boards, or associations (IAABO or other) consider this a "no long switch" situation.

Also keep in mind that the NFHS Rules Committee is considering eliminating the player control signal, using the team control signal instead.

As I've stated before, here in my little corner of Connecticut we see more player control foul signals than Carter has Little Liver Pills.

[Raymond]

I see a strong, confident signal. She gives a good first impression to anybody watching her whether or not she used the precise signal that should have been used.

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I see a strong, confident signal. She gives a good first impression to anybody watching her whether or not she used to precise signal that should have been used.

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Indeed....and the NFHS has a change on its current proposals to use the TC signal she used for both TC and PC. And I like the idea as this signal is 10 times better than the "official" PC signal is. In fact, in Oregon, we officially authorize the use of this signal for PC fouls.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... NFHS has a change ... to use the TC signal ... for both TC and PC ... this signal is 10 times better than the "official" PC signal is. In fact, in Oregon, we officially authorize the use of this signal for PC fouls.

100% agree. We have guys here in Connecticut that have unilaterally done the same as you guys in the Great Northwest.

[JRutledge]

And what is ironic is that now for NCAA Men's, all signals for PC and TC foul are the "hand behind the head" signal. So NF might be going away from it but college Men's ran to that signal.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And what is ironic is that now for NCAA Men's, all signals for PC and TC foul are the "hand behind the head" signal.

Not a college guy, but from what I've read on the Forum (my only source of college stuff), I thought the same myself.