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Old Thu Mar 11, 2021, 03:26pm
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10-4-6-H: A player must not: Removing the jersey and/or pants/skirt within the visual confines of the playing area.

10-5: The head coach is responsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team members and all other bench personnel.

2-8-4: The officials must: Notify the head coach and request the timer to begin the replacement interval, and then notify the player on a disqualification.

3-3-3: A player becomes bench personnel after his/her substitute becomes a player or after notification of the coach following his/her disqualification.

4-14-2: A player is officially disqualified and becomes bench personnel when the coach is notified by an official.

4-34-3: A player becomes bench personnel after his/her substitute becomes a player or after notification of the coach following his/her disqualification.


2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Changes
3-4-15 Prohibits a team member from removing his/her jersey and/or pants/skirt within the visual confines of the playing area. The penalty is a technical foul.

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Jerseys/Pants/Skirts Prohibited From Being Removed (3-4-15, 10-3-7h, 10-4-1h): A team member is prohibited from removing his/her jersey and/or pants/skirt within the confines of the playing area. The penalty is a technical foul. The former uniform rule didn't require team members to actually wear the team uniform. This addition also addresses a growing behavioral concern of players removing their jerseys to demonstrate frustration or anger and as a means of attracting individual attention. The rule is intended to be applied in all situations - even when a player must change uniforms due to blood or other unusual circumstances. It is not unreasonable to expect team members to go to their locker rooms to change their jerseys.
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Old Fri Mar 12, 2021, 09:48am
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The NCAA has no rule regarding removal of a player's jersey.

The other acts he took could, of course, have warranted a technical foul.
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Old Fri Mar 12, 2021, 11:26am
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The NCAA may have no rule about shirt removal but I think it is fair to say that is an unsporting act.
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Old Fri Mar 12, 2021, 02:56pm
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The NCAA may have no rule about shirt removal but I think it is fair to say that is an unsporting act.
At that level? Not a chance or not just for doing that. There could be all other kinds of things going on. He or she throws their jersey, maybe, but not just for removing it. Even the NF rule is kind of silly on many levels and is a very technical thing to call.

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Old Fri Mar 12, 2021, 05:07pm
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Even the NF rule is kind of silly on many levels
Agree.

High school player fouls out and takes off his jersey and throws it to the bench in frustration directed at an official. Technical foul.

Player is advised in layup line that he can't play with an an illegal undershirt and he quietly and politely goes over to his bench to remove it to comply with a rule and in doing so temporarily removes his jersey. My opinion, not the same as above (even if the NFHS says otherwise).
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Old Fri Mar 12, 2021, 06:11pm
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Agree.

High school player fouls out and takes off his jersey and throws it in frustration directed at an official. Technical foul.

Player is advised in layup line that he can't play with an an illegal undershirt and he quietly and politely goes over to his bench to remove it and in doing so temporarily removes his jersey. My opinion, not the same as above (even if the NFHS says otherwise).
The NFHS made this change sometime around when Brandi Chastain (US Women's Soccer) made SI's cover with a shirt removal. Many in the NFHS world didn't want teenage girls emulating that and/or thought it was improper for girls to be removing their shirts in public even though that were not naked and had a sports bra or similar under it. So, at least partially due to the above, they made it illegal to take the shirt off in the gym even if it wasn't unsportsmanlike. To be equal, the rule was made to apply to boys just the same.
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Old Fri Mar 12, 2021, 07:58pm
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The NFHS made this change sometime around when Brandi Chastain (US Women's Soccer) made SI's cover with a shirt removal. Many in the NFHS world didn't want teenage girls emulating that and/or thought it was improper for girls to be removing their shirts in public even though that were not naked and had a sports bra or similar under it. So, at least partially due to the above, they made it illegal to take the shirt off in the gym even if it wasn't unsportsmanlike. To be equal, the rule was made to apply to boys just the same.
Comments On The 2005-06 Rules Revisions
Jerseys/Pants/Skirts Prohibited From Being Removed ... The rule is intended to be applied in all situations - even when a player must change uniforms due to blood or other unusual circumstances. It is not unreasonable to expect team members to go to their locker rooms to change their jerseys.


I'm 100% wrong, but if I advise a player that he can't play with an illegal undershirt, I'm ignoring what happens next.

Yeah. I know that we can easily advise that the player go to the locker room, but I'm still ignoring what happens next.

I'm what'cha call a rebel. Yeah. A rebel, I tell you. A rebel.

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Old Sat Mar 13, 2021, 01:13pm
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The NFHS made this change sometime around when Brandi Chastain (US Women's Soccer) made SI's cover with a shirt removal. Many in the NFHS world didn't want teenage girls emulating that and/or thought it was improper for girls to be removing their shirts in public even though that were not naked and had a sports bra or similar under it. So, at least partially due to the above, they made it illegal to take the shirt off in the gym even if it wasn't unsportsmanlike. To be equal, the rule was made to apply to boys just the same.
Chastain’s jersey removal was following winning the 1999 women’s World Cup. The NFHS rule was 2005. I know that the NFHS is slow with rule changes/new rules, but six years afterward is probably not in response to that act.
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The NFHS made this change sometime around when Brandi Chastain (US Women's Soccer) made SI's cover with a shirt removal. Many in the NFHS world didn't want teenage girls emulating that and/or thought it was improper for girls to be removing their shirts in public even though that were not naked and had a sports bra or similar under it. So, at least partially due to the above, they made it illegal to take the shirt off in the gym even if it wasn't unsportsmanlike. To be equal, the rule was made to apply to boys just the same.

Camron is very correct concerning the rule change. While Brandi jersey removal was of great concern to the NFHS Rules Committee, there as also a more the more pressing problem that male professional soccer players by this time had started ripping off their jerseys as a way to show displeasure with a Referee's call in the pitch and male basketball players at the AAU/YBOA and H.S. levels were emulating the soccer players (I am still mystified that American male basketball players at the level were emulating male professional soccer players, , but that is a discussion for another time.). That said, those in pay grades higher that Camron and me thought the even if the reason for removing the jersey was for changing from damaged jersey or a jersey with blood on it, the player must do it out of sight of the Court.

Now for an amusing and true anecdote. I have a women's college official from Canada who had a game between a National Team of one of the Scanadavian countries against a Candanian college. The Visitor's brought their "home" jerseys to the arena and not their "visitor" jerseys. The Home School offered the Visitors their away jerseys for the game which the Visitors readily accepted the offer. The Home School managers brought the jerseys to the Visitor's Bench assuming that the Visitors would go to its lockerroom and change jerseys. But no, they changed right at courtside. And when they did, the air was sucked out of the gymnasium when the spectators discovered the most of the Visitors did not wear even sports bras under their jerseys, !

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