Fun With Post Play ...

[BillyMac]

Is this post play legal? Observe the actions by the offensive and defensive players in the post. White No. 30 and Blue No. 15. Are the actions legal or illegal? If there is a foul, who commits the first foul?

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Three choices offered: There is no foul on this play, both players are equally responsible for the incidental contact. This is a foul on Blue No. 15. This is a foul on White No. 30.

My comment: This is a foul on Blue No. 15. Team control blocking foul (extended arm) on Blue #15.

Holding would probably be a better description than blocking.

[bob jenkins]

At the very beginning, white uses a knee to (slightly) displace blue.

Blue is "in danger of" committing a holding foul, but I don't think white really tries to front.

I'd vote incidental; I'm sure IAABO will disagree.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Holding would probably be a better description than blocking.

4-7: Blocking is illegal personal contact which impedes the progress of an opponent with or without the ball.

4-26: Holding is illegal personal contact with an opponent which interferes with his/her freedom of movement.

Blocking is more of a "body thing" and holding is more of a "hand thing"?

If so, what's an "arm thing"?

[JRutledge]

The issue is does the player try to get around the offensive player. It is debatable if that is taking place. But once he does try, that is a foul. Illegal ward-off all day.

Peace

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The issue is does the player try to get around the offensive player. It is debatable if that is taking place. But once he does try, that is a foul. Illegal ward-off all day.

Peace

+1. Enough doubt here that I think this is a good no-call. Also, the whole crew is very engaged in the play, moving to improve, etc. Makes any call or no-call that much more credible.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... (slightly) displace ... "in danger of" ... don't think

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... debatable ...

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

... doubt ... call or no-call

Agree with all.

This is a tough one, and why basketball officials get paid the big bucks to make such decisions in a split second without the benefit of real time, or slow motion, replay.

[Terrapins Fan]

I would pass on a call here but I would speak to both players at the next opportunity and tell them to clean it up. If it continues, Double T.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I would pass on a call here but I would speak to both players at the next opportunity and tell them to clean it up.

Better than just passing. Been there. Done that.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I would pass on a call here but I would speak to both players at the next opportunity and tell them to clean it up. If it continues, Double T.

Double T?

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I would pass on a call here but I would speak to both players at the next opportunity and tell them to clean it up. If it continues, Double T.

Originally Posted by Raymond

Double T?

I've found that when I talk to players in situations like this that one often listens to me and the other often ignores me, usually leading to a common foul. Even when both ignore me, I'm now on the "lookout" and can spot the first illegal contact that occurs, usually leading to a common foul.

When I do charge double fouls in such post play situations, which is rarely, it's usually in response to overly aggressive illegal behavior from both players at the "get go" that can't be ignored, and requires more than just a warning to "cut it out".

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I've found that when I talk to players in situations like this that one often listens to me and the other often ignores me, usually leading to a common foul. Even when both ignore me, I'm now on the "lookout" and can spot the first illegal contact that occurs, usually leading to a common foul.

When I do charge double fouls in such post play situations, which is rarely, it's usually in response to overly aggressive illegal behavior from both players at the "get go" that can't be ignored, and requires more than just a simple warning to "cut it out".

Not sure what your response has to do with his statement and my question about a " Double T"

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Not sure what your response has to do with his statement and my question about a " Double T"

Warnings, in many instances don't always result in a double fouls.

Were you stressing the "technical" part, or the "double" part? I was addressing the "double" part.