Kentucky Eliminating Jump Ball

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Camron Rust may have been referring to Michigan.

Not specifically, but that is the direction we're going in Oregon. It isn't approved yet, but it is likely since I'm proposing it and the state basketball committee has agreed to it.

[JRutledge]

Having worked this summer, this all sounds really silly. I get maybe bouncing the ball on a throw-in when we would hand it, but I do not get how we have players get everything on their own. I could see that as causing other in-game issues. But if that is what we have to do, I guess, but not very practical. Players tend to go faster than when we are ready and with substitutions and other inadvertent delays, I just am not a fan. But again maybe if there is a stated procedure meaning how we let them know we are ready, I guess. But I see that is them doing things and we having to stop things and that will be a pain in the behind.

The NCAA gave officials masks (face covering kind from the neck) and to me that would be better than making us do something else.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Having worked this summer, this all sounds really silly. I get maybe bouncing the ball on a throw-in when we would hand it, but I do not get how we have players get everything on their own. I could see that as causing other in-game issues. But if that is what we have to do, I guess, but not very practical. Players tend to go faster than when we are ready and with substitutions and other inadvertent delays, I just am not a fan. But again maybe if there is a stated procedure meaning how we let them know we are ready, I guess. But I see that is them doing things and we having to stop things and that will be a pain in the behind.

The NCAA gave officials masks (face covering kind from the neck) and to me that would be better than making us do something else.

Peace

No amount of space/bouncing removes the potential of transmission from a referee touching his/her whistle with saliva on it, then touching the ball, which is then touched by several others who are touching who knows what, only to then be touched by an official again who touches his/her whistle and so on.

Without anyone really knowing how this thing is spreading, to me, that seems like the most probable avenue of transmission. And it isn't so much a way to protect the kids but to offer some degree of protection (even if it is just imagined) to the officials who are by and large in a much more vulnerable age group. We're expecting a substantial level of attrition and, with that, a very difficult time covering the games that we'd have. This may be the one thing that keeps a few more officials around.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Just for some perspective, I looked up the survival rates for coronavirus infection on the CDC website. As of last week the numbers were:

0-19 99.997% survival
20-49 99.98%
50-69 99.5%
70+ 94.6%

I would guess most of those officials Cameron is worried about fall in the 50-69 age group. Based on these statistics, and the statistics for obesity and obesity related illness in the US, those officials have orders of magnitude greater chance of having a heart attack and dying during the game than they have of catching and dying from cronoavirus.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. However, perhaps a bigger issue is keeping enough officials to be able to cover the games. It may be necessary to do things that statistically don't appear to be that beneficial just to satisfy the concerns of the officials.

[ChuckS]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't necessarily disagree with you. However, perhaps a bigger issue is keeping enough officials to be able to cover the games. It may be necessary to do things that statistically don't appear to be that beneficial just to satisfy the concerns of the officials.

Coverage is definitely an issue. There is a local tournament this weekend, and I have been bombarded with many emails and texts looking for officials. Last year that never happened. Just got another one a few minutes ago.

[JRutledge]

Illinois will be doing similar but they will give the ball to the visiting team to start the game instead. If the game is a neutral site, then a coin flip will decide who gets the ball (visiting team calls it like in football). If there is an overtime or extra period, a coin flip will decide who gets the ball to start the game at that point.

Peace

[todd66]

Where did you get that information? Is it on the IHSA website?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... give the ball to the visiting team to start the game instead. If the game is a neutral site, then a coin flip will decide who gets the ball (visiting team calls it like in football). If there is an overtime or extra period, a coin flip will decide who gets the ball to start the game at that point

Why make it so complicated, BillyMac said nit-pickingly.

Somebody has to wear white jerseys. Somebody has to be the home team on most (although not all) scoreboards. It's usually decided ahead of time, often based on seeding.

Start the game with the team not wearing white getting the ball. Start all overtime periods with the direction of the possession arrow at the end of the the previous period, as the second, third, and fourth period started.



Not picking on JRutledge, or The Land of Lincoln, just thinking out loud.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Just for some perspective, I looked up the survival rates for coronavirus infection on the CDC website. As of last week the numbers were:

0-19 99.997% survival
20-49 99.98%
50-69 99.5%
70+ 94.6%

I would guess most of those officials Cameron is worried about fall in the 50-69 age group. Based on these statistics, and the statistics for obesity and obesity related illness in the US, those officials have orders of magnitude greater chance of having a heart attack and dying during the game than they have of catching and dying from cronoavirus.

The issue is not dying. There are other things that can happen to you if you contact the virus or that we do not know for sure what can happen to you. So if that is all you are worried about, then you are not dealing with the facts of the concern.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The issue is not dying. There are other things that can happen to you if you contract the virus ...

Agree.



According to the Mayo Clinic (a pretty reliable source), long term COVID-19 effects may include:

Fatigue
Cough
Shortness of breath
Headache
Joint pain

Lasting damage to the heart muscle that may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.

The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.

COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome, a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle. Other organs affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys.

COVID-19 can weaken blood vessels, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.

COVID-19 patients treated in a hospital's intensive care unit with mechanical assistance such as ventilators can make a person more likely to later develop post-traumatic stress syndrome, depression and anxiety.

Yesterday, on a "bad day" when I was experiencing a lot of pain in my arthritic right ankle, I visited Home Depot to purchase some lumber to make new ramp for my backyard chickens. Reached the entrance and realized that I had left my mask in the car. Turned around and limped back to my car to get my mask. Was pissed at myself for forgetting, but didn't give a second thought to how stupid and fruitless, as some people think, wearing a mask was. Didn't give a second thought to how high the survival rate of COVID is. Didn't give a second thought to how, as some people think, my governor and Home Depot were depriving me of my liberty, turning people like me into "sheep". I was just happy (and felt patriotic) to wear my mask to protect other people, both shoppers and Home Depot workers (who have to work to provide for their families), from the slight possibility of me asymptomatically having the coronavirus. I did give COVID a second thought when, for my own safety, I (with the advice of my physician daughter, nurse daughter, and my own primary care physician) decided that it's still too early to go back to church, or to go back to my gym.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Just for some perspective, I looked up the survival rates for coronavirus infection on the CDC website. As of last week the numbers were:



0-19 99.997% survival

20-49 99.98%

50-69 99.5%

70+ 94.6%



I would guess most of those officials Cameron is worried about fall in the 50-69 age group. Based on these statistics, and the statistics for obesity and obesity related illness in the US, those officials have orders of magnitude greater chance of having a heart attack and dying during the game than they have of catching and dying from cronoavirus.

Survival rates aren't the issue. If an official tests positive, do you think he'll be working any more games for the next couple of weeks? What about his partners from the last game he worked? Will they have to wait to work, or will they be allowed to work immediately? What about the other officials he worked with the week prior to testing positive?

That goes for any business. If your employees start popping up positive, how are you going to conduct business? Are customers are going to want to utilize your business?

It goes beyond whether or not a particular person will die or get severely ill.

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