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Old Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:55pm
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Early stages, I'm kind of maybe possibly thinking about writing an educational article on jump balls.

I was reviewing the rules and came up with these odd scenarios.

First some rules:

The tossed ball must be touched by one or both of the jumpers after it reaches its highest point. If the ball contacts the floor without being touched by at least one of the jumpers, the official shall toss it again.

To start the game and each extra period, the ball shall be put in play in the center restraining circle by a jump ball between any two opponents.

If play is started or resumed by a jump ball, the clock shall be started when the tossed ball is legally touched.

The ball becomes live when the tossed ball leaves the official’s hand(s).

The entering substitute shall not replace a designated jumper or a free thrower except as in 8-2 and 3.


1) Situation: Official tosses the ball to begin the game. Jumpers A1 and B1 are unable to touch the tossed ball and the ball hits the floor. The ball became live with the toss, the game officially starts, but the clock didn't start. Team A coach requests that player A2 jump in the re-tossed jump ball. A1 is not injured nor is A1 bleeding.

2) Similar situation, but before the re-tossed jump ball, Team A coach wants to substitute A6 for jumper A1. A6 is waiting on the X in front of the table and is ready to be the new jumper. A1 is not injured nor is A1 bleeding.

3) Another similar situation, but before the re-tossed jump ball, Team A coach wants to substitute non-jumper A6 for non-jumper A5. A6 is waiting on the X in front of the table. A5 is not injured nor is A5 bleeding.


Billy:

Situation #1: Not legal.

Situations #2 and #3: Legal.

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Old Wed Aug 19, 2020, 02:03pm
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Billy:

Situations 1 and 2: A6 can replace A1.

Situation 3: A6 can replace A5.

MTD, Sr.
I’m interested to hear your reasoning.
I believe that 1&3 are simple as the substitution restriction does not apply. However, situation 2 is unclear. Is there a designated jumper to start the game or any extra period? If so, is this the same jump ball or a new one?

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Is there a designated jumper to start the game or any extra period? If so, is this the same jump ball or a new one?
Bingo.

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3) Another similar situation, but before the re-tossed jump ball, Team A coach wants to substitute non-jumper A6 for non-jumper A5. A6 is waiting on the X in front of the table. A5 is not injured nor is A5 bleeding.
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However, situation 3 is unclear.
I thought that this was the clearest situation.

The ball became live on the toss, the game started (thus avoiding the designated starter rule), even though the clock didn't start. Since players don't have to play "a tick", substitute A6 should be allowed to substitute for nonjumper A5.

No "designated jumper" was harmed in the making of this situation.
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I’m interested to hear your reasoning.
I believe that 1&3 are simple as the substitution restriction does not apply. However, situation 3 is unclear. Is there a designated jumper to start the game or any extra period? If so, is this the same jump ball or a new one?

Nevada:

I mis-read Billy's Original Post. I went back and corrected my RULINGS.

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Situations 1 and 2: A6 can replace A1.
There is no A6 in Situation 1?

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1) Situation: Official tosses the ball to begin the game. Jumpers A1 and B1 are unable to touch the tossed ball and the ball hits the floor. The ball became live with the toss, the game officially starts, but the clock didn't start. Team A coach requests that player A2 jump in the re-tossed jump ball. A1 is not injured nor is A1 bleeding.
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