Team control throwin. Foul purposes only

[bucky]

I seem to recall discussing this at length in another thread. The Team Control stuff during a TI only applied to fouls and had nothing to do with IW. In the IW case, once, the throw-in is touched (meaning it ended), one would go to the AP arrow for an IW. My memory could be off though.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

The Team Control stuff during a TI only applied to fouls and had nothing to do with IW. In the IW case, once, the throw-in is touched (meaning it ended), one would go to the AP arrow for an IW.

Agree.

It just doesn't seem right that between the non-possession (muff) touch inbounds and the eventual player/team control, the official can't use team control for an inadvertent whistle, but can use team control for a team control foul.

The NFHS has patched together a new rule (throwin team control), with exceptions (backcourt, etc.), along with a few Points of Emphasis (that don't make it into the rulebook), with a heavy dose of annual interpretations (that don't make it into the casebook).

I like the throwin team control rule change, but it seems that the NFHS could have done a better job of writing it in the rulebook.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by bucky

I seem to recall discussing this at length in another thread. The Team Control stuff during a TI only applied to fouls and had nothing to do with IW. In the IW case, once, the throw-in is touched (meaning it ended), one would go to the AP arrow for an IW. My memory could be off though.

You recall a thread I posted last year. It generated a lot of discussion. So I sent the play to IAABO. Question: A1 has the ball for a Throw-in. B1 tips the throw-in ball. As the ball crosses the division line and Before anyone establish player control, the official blow an inadvertent whistle. Possession arrow points to Team B.

Who gets the ball and where is the throw-in?

IAABO President 2016-17 David Smith, CO. and other IAABO Co-Coordinators of Interpreters, the consensus was to give the ball to Team A. Team A had Team control. He gave contradicting locations for the Throw-in. One was at the location of the ball at the time of the IW. The other was the location when the ball was last touched.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

A1 has the ball for a Throw-in. B1 tips the throw-in ball. As the ball crosses the division line and Before anyone establish player control, the official blow an inadvertent whistle. Possession arrow points to Team B. Who gets the ball and where is the throw-in? IAABO President 2016-17 David Smith, CO. and other IAABO Co-Coordinators of Interpreters, the consensus was to give the ball to Team A. Team A had Team control.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ml#post1035385

IAABO interpretations are not the same as NFHS interpretations, and carry no weight outside of IAABO (if that).

I'm a proud IAABO member myself, and this apparent contradiction of NFHS rules by very competent IAABO co-coordinators of interpreters just demonstrates the "patchwork" quality of this ugly combination of this NFHS rule (including exceptions), NFHS Points of Emphasis, and NFHS annual interpretations.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Cue the Benny Hill theme song (Yakety Sax).

[BillyMac]

I came across this nugget of wisdom while researching Zoochy's original thread:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... Team control for fouls begins when the thrower has the ball.
Team control for ALL other purposes begins when a player inbounds established layer control.
Both forms of team control end in the same way: dead ball, other team gains control, or a try is released.
This rule really needs to be rewritten.

Agree four times.