Team Control Foul

[refnrev]

I've been thinking about the new team control foul rule. All non-intentional, non-flagrant, non-technical fouls by the offensive team will now fall under this rule, right? Is this intended to simplify things and speed things up? What's the rationale? Anyone know?

[Mark Padgett]

I really don't know specifically what the rationale is for this, but any rule that makes the HS game more like the college game is good IMO.

I don't know why we just don't adopt college rules for HS. It would make things a lot simpler.

[zebraman]

Originally posted by refnrev
I've been thinking about the new team control foul rule. All non-intentional, non-flagrant, non-technical fouls by the offensive team will now fall under this rule, right? Is this intended to simplify things and speed things up? What's the rationale? Anyone know?

1) It's designed to speed the game up, yes.

2) All fouls by the team in control are the ones that fall under this rule. I know that's splitting hairs in a way... but some would refer to a rebounding foul on the team that just attempted a shot as an "offensive rebounding foul." Since team control ended when the shot went up, this kind of foul would not be a team control foul and we would still shoot bonus free throws.

Z

[Mark Padgett]

BTW - the new mechanic for this call is to use one finger on each hand in the "shame, shame" motion.

Please, no cracks about which finger.

[mick]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
I really don't know specifically what the rationale is for this, but any rule that makes the HS game more like the college game is good IMO.

I don't know why we just don't adopt college rules for HS. It would make things a lot simpler.

Mark,
Men's or Women's?
Who will hire the unemployed Rulesmakers?
Who will teach the players the new rules?
Does Fed reimburse NCAA for doing the work?
Would high school and college camps run concurrently?
What shirts do officials wear?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by mick

Mark,
Men's or Women's?
Who will hire the unemployed Rulesmakers?
Who will teach the players the new rules?
Does Fed reimburse NCAA for doing the work?
Would high school and college camps run concurrently?
What shirts do officials wear?

1. Men's for boys games. Women's for girls games. DUH!
2. FEEBLE
3. The same people who teach them now - no one.
4. Yeah, like the NCAA needs more money.
5. Um, sure. Like I know what "concurrently" means.
6. Referee jerseys.

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by refnrev
I've been thinking about the new team control foul rule. All non-intentional, non-flagrant, non-technical fouls by the offensive team will now fall under this rule, right? Is this intended to simplify things and speed things up? What's the rationale? Anyone know?

With the new rule, all fouls by the team in control are treated the same...no more "Did that player pass the ball before they crashed into the defender or after??" We don't have A3 being called for a PC foul and B getting no free throws, and then B2 being called for an illegal screen at the other end and A gets free throws...it really makes it much simpler.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by mick

What shirts do officials wear?

I say we go to the soccer shirts. I think I'd look good in blue.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

I say we go to the soccer shirts. I think I'd look good in blue.

You said the "S word".

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

You said the "S word".

Would you rather me say the "F word"?

[JRutledge]

Apparently the NF is not going to use a new signal for this foul either. Did anyone else here see the Referee Magazine article on the new rules for this coming year?

All you are supposed to do is call a foul, signal the type of foul; point to the other end of the floor; indicate the spot for the designated spot throw-in. That is all that is it. No new signal will be used this year.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by JRutledge
Apparently the NF is not going to use a new signal for this foul either. Did anyone else here see the Referee Magazine article on the new rules for this coming year?

All you are supposed to do is call a foul, signal the type of foul; point to the other end of the floor; indicate the spot for the designated spot throw-in. That is all that is it. No new signal will be used this year.

Peace

Well, speaking as one of those bumpkins south of I-80 it seem like there will be confusion as to communicating which type of foul we have, "offensive" or "defensive". Granted, I'm looking at it from a NCAA-W perspective, but their signal of the "punch" definitely conveys we are not shooting any bonus free throws. Any other signal conveys it wasn't an offensive foul. In the case of a NF foul, we could give a signal for a push, point to a spot OOB, and our partners not know what's happening until we get to the table and give the color of the offensive team. Even then, if it's a rebounding foul, there might be some confusion as to whether we are shooting the bonus or not. Granted, the new mechanic has us pointing the other direction, but I'm not sure that still effectively communicates "no shots". It will be interesting to see how that plays out this year.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by M&M Guy


Well, speaking as one of those bumpkins south of I-80 it seem like there will be confusion as to communicating which type of foul we have, "offensive" or "defensive". Granted, I'm looking at it from a NCAA-W perspective, but their signal of the "punch" definitely conveys we are not shooting any bonus free throws. Any other signal conveys it wasn't an offensive foul. In the case of a NF foul, we could give a signal for a push, point to a spot OOB, and our partners not know what's happening until we get to the table and give the color of the offensive team. Even then, if it's a rebounding foul, there might be some confusion as to whether we are shooting the bonus or not. Granted, the new mechanic has us pointing the other direction, but I'm not sure that still effectively communicates "no shots". It will be interesting to see how that plays out this year.

I know I will press those about this when the meetings start. I work for the head clinician of our state in his conference. I will make sure I ask him about this issue directly.

BTW I started officiating below I-80 too. I just roll my eyes when I hear those comments.

Peace

[mick]

Originally posted by M&M Guy
Even then, if it's a rebounding foul, there might be some confusion as to whether we are shooting the bonus or not.

M&M Guy,
Which team is in control on a rebound?
mick

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by M&M Guy
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Well, speaking as one of those bumpkins south of I-80, it seem like there will be confusion as to communicating which type of foul we have, "offensive" or "defensive". Granted, I'm looking at it from a NCAA-W perspective, but their signal of the "punch" definitely conveys we are not shooting any bonus free throws. Any other signal conveys it wasn't an offensive foul. In the case of a NF foul, we could give a signal for a push, point to a spot OOB, and our partners not know what's happening until we get to the table and give the color of the offensive team. Even then, if it's a rebounding foul, there might be some confusion as to whether we are shooting the bonus or not. Granted, the new mechanic has us pointing the other direction, but I'm not sure that still effectively communicates "no shots". It will be interesting to see how that plays out this year. [/B][/QUOTE]Use any signal that you want to use.

Didn't you read the other thread?

Mary Struckhoff said it was OK.