Act of Shooting (and continous motion)

[Raymond]

There is an NCAA-Men's case play that defines the beginning of the shooting motion. It is more restrictive than NFHS, I don't know what the NCAA-W's language is:

Act of Shooting
A.R. 120. A1 is dribbling the ball and attempts to turn the corner at the top of the key to drive down the lane. B1 fouls A1 as A1 picks up his dribble. A1 then steps with his right foot and then pushes off with his left foot before beginning to raise his arm(s) or hand(s) to release the ball for a layup. The try is successful.

RULING: The foul occurred before the act of shooting began. Therefore, the goal should not count. Charge B1 with a personal foul and shoot appropriate free throws if Team A is in the bonus. The language of 5-1.10, “The try starts when the player begins the motion that normally precedes the release of the ball,” refers to the hand(s) or arm(s) in preparing to release the ball on a try for goal. Examples of the act of shooting motion include raising the ball with the hand(s) and or arm(s) to shoot a layup or jump shot or the downward motion of the hand(s) or arm(s) in completing a dunk or alley-oop play. This act of shooting motion does not include picking up the dribble, catching (gathering) the ball, or advancing on the court with one or both feet. (Rule 5-1.10 and 4-8.1)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Raymond

There is an NCAA-Men's case play that defines the beginning of the shooting motion. It is more restrictive than NFHS, I don't know what the NCAA-W's language is:

Act of Shooting
A.R. 120. A1 is dribbling the ball and attempts to turn the corner at the top of the key to drive down the lane. B1 fouls A1 as A1 picks up his dribble. A1 then
steps with his right foot and then pushes off with his left foot before beginning to raise his arm(s) or hand(s) to release the ball for a layup. The try is successful.

RULING: The foul occurred before the act of shooting began. Therefore, the goal should not count. Charge B1 with a personal foul and shoot
appropriate free throws if Team A is in the bonus. The language of 5-1.10, “The try starts when the player begins the motion
that normally precedes the release of the ball,” refers to the hand(s) or arm(s) in preparing to release the ball on a try for goal. Examples of the act
of shooting motion include raising the ball with the hand(s) and or arm(s) to shoot a layup or jump shot or the downward motion of the hand(s) or
arm(s) in completing a dunk or alley-oop play. This act of shooting motion does not include picking up the dribble, catching (gathering) the ball, or
advancing on the court with one or both feet. (Rule 5-1.10 and 4-8.1)

I do not like the wording of NCAA Men's AR 120. For well over 60 years in NFHS, NCAA Men's, and NCAA Women's, a Dribbler must end his/her Dribble before the Act of Shooting can begin: In other words if the Offensive Player is Dribbling he/she cannot be in the Act of Shooting. Only once the Dribble ends can the Act of Shooting begin and that applies across the board for NFHS, NCAA Men's, and NCAA Women's.

Getting back to AR 120, I immediately interpreted the Player to not have yet ended his Dribble when he was fouled. I would prefer that AR's and CB Play's be written using the language of the Rules do describe the Situation and stop using "coach and talking head speak".

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

There is an NCAA-Men's case play that defines the beginning of the shooting motion. It is more restrictive than NFHS, I don't know what the NCAA-W's language is:

Act of Shooting
A.R. 120. A1 is dribbling the ball and attempts to turn the corner at the top of the key to drive down the lane. B1 fouls A1 as A1 picks up his dribble. A1 then steps with his right foot and then pushes off with his left foot before beginning to raise his arm(s) or hand(s) to release the ball for a layup. The try is successful.

RULING: The foul occurred before the act of shooting began. Therefore, the goal should not count. Charge B1 with a personal foul and shoot appropriate free throws if Team A is in the bonus. The language of 5-1.10, “The try starts when the player begins the motion that normally precedes the release of the ball,” refers to the hand(s) or arm(s) in preparing to release the ball on a try for goal. Examples of the act of shooting motion include raising the ball with the hand(s) and or arm(s) to shoot a layup or jump shot or the downward motion of the hand(s) or arm(s) in completing a dunk or alley-oop play. This act of shooting motion does not include picking up the dribble, catching (gathering) the ball, or advancing on the court with one or both feet. (Rule 5-1.10 and 4-8.1)

NCAAW AR120 is on the same tiopic, but is slighlty different:

A.R. 120. A1 is dribbling the ball and while gathering the ball to end the
dribble, is fouled by B1 and the official rules a foul. After the whistle, A1 begins
the habitual motion which precedes the release of the ball on a try.
RULING: A1’s foul is not a shooting foul and when committed prior
to the bonus being in effect, Team A is awarded the ball for a throw-in
using the procedures in Rule 7-3.2. When the bonus is in effect, A1 is
awarded two free throws. Continuous motion does not apply when a
player is fouled while ending a dribble or securing control of the ball
in her hand(s).
(Rule 5-1.10, 7-3.2, and 8-3.1)

[BillyMac]

NFHS

4-11: Continuous Motion
ART. 1 Continuous motion applies to a try or tap for field goals and
free throws, but it has no significance unless there is a foul by any
defensive player during the interval which begins when the habitual
throwing movement starts a try or with the touching on a tap and ends when
the ball is clearly in flight.
ART. 2 If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal,
he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if
pivoting or stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body
movement in any activity while holding the ball. These privileges are
granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul
occurs and before the ball is in flight.
ART. 3 Continuous motion does not apply if a teammate fouls after a
player has started a try for a goal and before the ball is in flight. The ball
becomes dead immediately.

6-7-Excepton: The trying motion must be continuous and begins after the ball comes to rest in
the player’s hand(s) on a try or touches the hand(s) on a tap, and is
completed when the ball is clearly in flight. The trying motion may
include arm, foot or body movements used by the player when
throwing the ball at his/her basket.

6.7 COMMENT: If an opponent fouls after A1 has started to throw for goal, A1 is permitted to complete the customary arm movement; and, if A1 is pivoting or stepping when A1 or a teammate is fouled, A1 may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity, as long as A1 is still holding the ball. If A1 starts a dribble, the “continuous motion” immediately ends. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs. The continuous-motion rule applies to a free-throw try as well as to a field-goal try or tap for goal. However, in a tap for goal, the motion does not begin until the ball is touched.

The “continuous-motion” provision does not apply to batting or tipping the ball during rebounding or a jump ball. In these cases, A1 is not considered as being in the act of trying or tapping for goal. If an opponent commits a foul during this type of action before the ball is in flight, the foul causes the ball to become dead immediately. In rebounding, the ball is not always batted. It might be caught in one hand and then thrown into the basket with a snap of the wrist or fingers or touched and tapped toward the basket. Under these circumstances, an official is justified in ruling that it is a try or tap instead of a bat. Continuous motion is of significance only when there is a personal or technical foul by B after the trying or tapping motion by A1 is started and before the ball is in flight. It includes any body, foot or arm motion normally used in trying for a field goal or free throw, and it ends when the ball leaves the hand(s) on the try or tap. (4-11)