Intentional foul to end qtr

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The IF was part of the 1st quarter, and no part of a penalty can carry over, so start the 2nd quarter with an AP throw-in.

Agree.

5-6: Each quarter or extra period ends when the signal illuminates
or sounds indicating time has expired, as in 1-14.
EXCEPTIONS:
1. If the ball is in flight during a try or tap for field goal, the quarter or
extra period ends when the try or tap ends.
2. If a held ball or violation occurs so near the expiration of time that the
clock is not stopped before time expires, the quarter or extra period ends
with the held ball or violation.
3. If a foul occurs so near the expiration of time that the timer cannot get the
clock stopped before time expires or after time expires, but while the ball
is in flight during a try or tap for field goal, the quarter or extra period ends
when the free throw(s) and all related activity have been completed. No
penalty or part of a penalty carries over from one quarter or extra period to
the next, except when a correctable error, as in 2-10, is rectified.

[wyo96]

I understand the rule on reaction time, just trying to make clear there was no time to put back. (spiting hairs I know)

5-6-2 note 3 is the rule I was thinking of, but I kept looking in Sec 10 under Fouls and Penalties.

Thanks.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by wyo96

I understand the rule on reaction time, just trying to make clear there was no time to put back.

I understand your point, but just to be clear, for the young'uns, there is no rule on reaction time (how can one understand a rule that doesn't exist).

There used to be a reaction (lag) time rule, but it went the way of the dinosaurs (I'm talking real dinosaurs, not a metaphor for Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.)

The new rule is about a improper stopping/starting, exact time, and definite information, not about lag time or reaction time.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I understand your point, but just to be clear, for the young'uns, there is no rule on reaction time (how can one understand a rule that doesn't exist).

There used to be a reaction (lag) time rule, but it went the way of the dinosaurs (I'm talking real dinosaurs, not a metaphor for Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.)

The new rule is about a improper stopping/starting, exact time, and definite information, not about lag time or reaction time.

There still is reaction time in the rules, just not lag time.

See 5-6-2 Exception 3. It basically describes reaction time. Whatever time it takes for the official to blow the whistle and then see the clock is the reaction time that the clock is allowed to run.

Lag time was a rule that allowed up to 1 full second to run off after the official saw the clock without being correctable.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It basically describes reaction time. Whatever time it takes for the official to blow the whistle and then see the clock is the reaction time that the clock is allowed to run.

I see your point, but the new rule does not call something like this reaction time, it calls it improper stopping the clock or starting the clock (which certainly may involve reaction time, a button miss or switch slip, or a distracted timekeeper), or at worst, an actual mistake, or (gasp) cheating. In any case we're not allowing something like that, whatever we want to call it, to happen if we have definite information of the exact time.

The concept allowing one second of reaction time, and in fact, the actual phrase reaction time, is long gone. Let's put it to rest or risk confusing some officials, both rookies and veterans (old dog, new tricks).