Shoot at wrong basket/double dribble

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bucky

In the case of throwing, running, and catching, the player moves. Pretend A1 throws the ball, hits the opponent's rim, and the ball rebounds directly back to A1. Whattaya got?

A1 didn't move during this? Then it's nothing, the same as if A1 just tossed the ball in the air without moving.

(this thread also illustrates a dribble that does not fit the definition of a dribble. Ergo, we do not need to solely rely on definitions as so many of us frequently do)

I'm confused -- what part of the definitions doesn't fit here?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

Pretend A1 throws the ball, hits the opponent's rim, and the ball rebounds directly back to A1. Whattaya got?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

A1 didn't move during this? Then it's nothing, the same as if A1 just tossed the ball in the air without moving.

Agree.

4.44.3 SITUATION C: A1 tosses the ball from one hand to the other while keeping his/her pivot foot in contact with the floor; RULING: Legal.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

A1 didn't move during this? Then it's nothing, the same as if A1 just tossed the ball in the air without moving.

I'm confused -- what part of the definitions doesn't fit here?

A1, in the BC, dribbles and stops, picking up his dribble. A1 throws the ball, which hits the opponent's rim and returns directly back to A1 who catches it. How do you rule?

My "definitions" comments relates to the ball hitting the opponent's backboard. The definition of a dribble excludes hitting the opponent's backboard (and official). The case book indicates that it is a dribble. If someone were to rely solely on the definition of a dribble from the rule book, then hitting the opponent's backboard would not be a dribble.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bucky

A1, in the BC, dribbles and stops, picking up his dribble. A1 throws the ball, which hits the opponent's rim and returns directly back to A1 who catches it. How do you rule?

I've got nothing.

The definition of a dribble excludes hitting the opponent's backboard (and official).

Really? I'll have to look, but that isn't my understanding.

Are you (or am I) mixing up "opponent's basket" and "own basket"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

The definition of a dribble excludes hitting the opponent's backboard (and official)

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Really? I'll have to look, but that isn't my understanding. Are you mixing up "opponent's basket" and "own basket"

Basketball Rules Fundamentals
19. A ball which touches the front face or edges of the backboard is treated
the same as touching the floor inbounds, except that when the ball touches
the thrower’s backboard, it does not constitute a part of a dribble.

4-5-1: A team’s own basket is the one into which its players try to
throw or tap the ball.

4-15: A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who
bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the
floor once or several times. It is not a part of a dribble when the ball
touches a player’s own backboard.

Unlike other sports where teams defend their "goal" (football, ice hockey, soccer, etc.), in basketball teams defend their opponent's "goal" and try to score in their "goal".

Perhaps Dr. Naismith's only mistake (other then inventing the jump ball).

Yeah Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., you heard me correctly. I said it. I know that James was one of your best friends, but the truth is the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts.