rule question

[Raymond]

I can think of one realistic version of this scenario:

A1 chases down an interrupted dribble with the ball now rolling slowly on the floor. Right before B1 gets to the ball, A1 bats it to cause it to roll away from B1, then bats it again to cause it to roll away from B2, then A1 chases the ball down and picks it up.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I can one realistic version of this scenario:

A1 chases down an interrupted dribble with the ball now rolling slowly on the floor. Right before B1 gets to the ball, A1 bats it to cause it to roll away from B1, then bats it again to cause it to roll away from B2, then A1 chases the ball down and picks it up.

Somewhere in the rule book there's a statement to the effect of "it is not a dribble when a player bats the ball away from other players."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Somewhere in the rule book there's a statement to the effect of "it is not a dribble when a player bats the ball away from other players."

Closest I could find:

4.15 COMMENT: It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble. A player is not dribbling while slapping the ball during a jump, when a pass rebounds from his/her hand, when he/she fumbles, or when he/she bats a rebound or pass away from other players who are attempting to get it. The player is not in control under these conditions. It is a dribble when a player stands still and bounces the ball. It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Closest I could find:

4.15 COMMENT: It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble. A player is not dribbling while slapping the ball during a jump, when a pass rebounds from his/her hand, when he/she fumbles, or when he/she bats a rebound or pass away from other players who are attempting to get it. The player is not in control under these conditions. It is a dribble when a player stands still and bounces the ball. It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once.

That's the one. Does it apply to the OP or to any of the other versions in the thread?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Does it apply to the OP or to any of the other versions in the thread?

I believe it does, if not, close enough.

A player is not dribbling while slapping the ball when he/she bats a rebound or pass away from other players who are attempting to get it. The player is not in control under these conditions.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

A1 chases down an interrupted dribble with the ball now rolling slowly on the floor. Right before B1 gets to the ball, A1 bats it to cause it to roll away from B1, then bats it again to cause it to roll away from B2, then A1 chases the ball down and picks it up.

A very realistic situation.

Advantage to one team. Disadvantage to the other.

Nothing illegal here (as long as A1 doesn't start a new dribble).

If it's not illegal, it's legal

Play on.

[rbruno]

If he batted the ball with a closed fist it is a punch and is illegal. I think as described it was with an open hand so even though the whole place will go bonkers i think we have nothing. These are the tougher calls to make. Like when the dribbler looses control and taps forward a bit and the whole gym is yelling "travel". We have to learn to not make that call. Officials that do either don't know the rules or don't care because if you do make the travel call everyone is happy.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rbruno

If he batted the ball with a closed fist it is a punch and is illegal.

If he's in a crowd and there's a possibility of punching someone in the face, definitely call it.

Otherwise, consult you local listings.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post479461