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The number leaving the bench determines if FTs are shot for those infractions. You have to figure out players on court stuff based on what they do. 2 seaoarate procedures. We don’t mix and match and offset all.... HOWEVER, if you did there’d only be a handful on planet who’d know if it was done correctly.. |
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Only one player in the OP comes off the bench.... |
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Agree. Exactly what I said in my post just before yours. I didn't mean or need to include "and shoving B4" in that other post. Should have edited that out.
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You would think because a B participated there’d be more FTs. Not the case. No free throws because number leaving bench same. The penalty is head coach indirect for player leaving bench and one more for player participating. Last edited by BigCat; Thu Nov 07, 2019 at 03:08pm. |
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It is strange but rule/cases are pretty clear. There is a difference in penalizing if player just comes off bench or comes off and participates. If 3 blue come off bench and don’t fight and 3 white come off bench and do fight...Players leaving bench are equal and be no FTs. However, blue gets one indirect T because he had 3 players leave Bench. White team coach gets 3 indirects because he had 3 leave bench and participate. No FTs but white team coach is ejected. (3 indirect T) You would think blue get more FTs because, while there players came off bench, they didn’t participate. Not what rule says. Coach is penalized w more indirects when bench player comes off AND participates. |
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I wouldn’t declare that whatever happened on floor was a fight just because coaches came out. Coaches can come out to prevent one. A7 leaving bench, moment he does he’s ejected because one could have broken out. When he shoves somebody, being a bench player, I think he is participating in or starting fight.
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Billy post the fight play language. They all say if number leaving bench is equal no FTs... |
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Ps. Thankfully,knock on wood, I’ve never had fight in game. I’ve seen many on various sites. Impossible for referees to determine who did what etc. we are not allowed replay. Hope it never happens to any of you but just do best you can to straighten it out. ...
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Here's the guidance we get from our local board:
Fighting - Rule & Penalties Be aware of signs of escalating tempers, gestures, actions, words from players, coaches and possibly spectators. Penalize when discovered, no warnings are necessary. Warnings most times carry little weight. Technical fouls and double technical fouls are deterrents. Our stripes are the deterrents! Get yourself close to the situation. In situations where rough activity might follow (players diving for loose balls, hard contact fouls, held ball situations, player(s) being knocked to the court), when you blow your whistle remain at the scene. Don’t over-react but pause before leaving to report a foul or signaling a violation. Fighting is a flagrant act and can occur when the ball is dead or live. Fighting includes, but is not limited to acts such as: - An attempt to strike, punch or kick an opponent with a fist, hands, arms, leg or feet regardless of whether contact is made. - An attempt to instigate a fight by committing unsporting acts toward an opponent that causes an opponent to retaliate by fighting. Players In Fight: If A1 and B1 fight during a live or dead ball, they are charged with flagrant technical fouls and disqualified from the game. There are no free throws since this is a double foul. Charge each team with one foul toward the bonus and use the alternating possession arrow to resume play unless there is player/team control. Bench Personnel: a. Leave Bench and Participate in Fight If bench personnel leave the bench during a fight and participate in the fight those bench personnel are charged with a flagrant technical foul and disqualified. The head coach is charged with an indirect technical foul for bench person who participates in the fight and is disqualified. A team foul is charged for each disqualified bench person. If the same number of bench personnel from both teams leave the bench, there will no free throws. b. Leave Bench and Do Not Participate in Fight If bench personnel leave the bench during a fight or when a fight may break out and do not fight, they are charged with a flagrant technical foul and disqualified. The head coach is charged with one indirect technical foul regardless of the number of offenders. A team foul is charged for each disqualified bench person. Reminders 1. Players or bench personnel who are ejected due to Fighting are ejected to the bench area, not the locker room. 2. When fighting by bench personnel leads to coach ejection, the coach must go the locker room. 6. Do not get physical with the players, bench personnel or coaches. After the chaos – Officials should convene near mid-court as a crew to discuss the situation and maintain bench supervision. Do not allow coaches to enter this discussion. Ask for input from other game officials (scorers & timer) as you deem appropriate. Get the numbers of the fighters. Apply the rules and know exactly what you are going to say when you call both head coaches together to explain the situation. This is not a discussion period. Tell coaches they will be able to include their discussion points in their follow-up report and that our charge is to resume play in a safe environment and in a timely manner. If you do not believe you are able to resume play in a safe environment, write pertinent information in the scorebook and suspend the game. Report to your assignment commissioner after game concludes.
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