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Old Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:26pm
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2019-20 NCAA-M Change: Contact Dead Ball T's

I am getting back into college ball this year and I just want to confirm I am correct.

A single CDBTF still results in the offended team getting the ball (it is not POI). However, the throw-in spot is now determined using the lines of demarcation if it occurred in the offended team's frontcourt, and the nearest spot if it occurred in the offended team's backcourt.

-B1 deflects ball OOB in Team A's FC. CDBTF is charged to B2 in A's FC. Team A gets the ball at one of the four demarcation spots. Shot clock resets to 20 or stays if greater.

-B1 deflects ball OOB in Team A's FC. CDBTF is charged to A2 in A's FC. Team B gets the ball nearest where the CDBTF occurred.

-B1 deflects ball OOB in Team A's BC. CDBTF is charged to B2 in A's BC. Team A gets the ball nearest where the CDBTF occurred. Shot clock resets to 30.

-B1 deflects ball OOB in Team A's BC. CDBTF is charged to B2 in A's FC. Team A gets the ball at one of the four demarcation spots. Shot clock stays (wouldn't go to 20 as that would mean Team A committed a 10-second violation).

The CDBTF supersedes any live-ball events for the purposes of determining the throw-in spot and the time on the shot clock.

Am I correct in all this?
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I far as I know, that seems correct, but I haven't really dug into the books yet this year.

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Old Wed Sep 11, 2019, 04:00pm
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Maybe I am slower than most, but I do not know what the CDBTF is, but every dead ball goes to one of the Demarcation Marks unless it is an out of bounds violation. That means all fouls or violations go there unless otherwise stated and now they pretty much all are clear they are going to one of those markers.

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Old Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:21pm
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...but I do not know what the CDBTF is...
Contact Dead Ball Technical Foul.
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Old Thu Sep 12, 2019, 01:24am
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Maybe I am slower than most, but I do not know what the CDBTF is, but every dead ball goes to one of the Demarcation Marks unless it is an out of bounds violation. That means all fouls or violations go there unless otherwise stated and now they pretty much all are clear they are going to one of those markers.

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Contact Dead Ball Technical Foul. The exceptions also include dead balls resulting in a score awarded (basket interference/goaltending by B), dead balls after an awarded score, when B will have possession with the right to run the Emeline on the throw-in, and fouls resulting in Point of Interruption resumption of play (most technical fouls).
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Old Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:03am
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I far as I know, that seems correct, but I haven't really dug into the books yet this year.

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I am not. Relocated to Georgia (haven't changed my username yet, not sure I will). Unfortunately his closest school to me is not feasible otherwise I would; we're still on good terms.

Best of luck in his league this season. He's a good one to work for, if you're on his good side.
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Old Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:04am
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Maybe I am slower than most, but I do not know what the CDBTF is...
You must be. Thought that would be pretty obvious given the title of the thread.
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Old Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:05am
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Maybe I am slower than most, but I do not know what the CDBTF is, but every dead ball goes to one of the Demarcation Marks unless it is an out of bounds violation. That means all fouls or violations go there unless otherwise stated and now they pretty much all are clear they are going to one of those markers.



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That only applies to the front court. If the throw-in occurs in the backcourt, it will go to the spot closest to the foul.

We actually discussed this last night in our weekly rules review meeting.

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Old Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:08am
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I am not. Relocated to Georgia (haven't changed my username yet, not sure I will). Unfortunately his closest school to me is not feasible otherwise I would; we're still on good terms.



Best of luck in his league this season. He's a good one to work for, if you're on his good side.
If he doesn't stay on my good side, he won't have to worry about giving me games. He only has two schools a reasonable distance from me. I'm not going to be jumping through hoops for him.

Back on topic. We got into a discussion last night about pre-game F2s and contact dead-ball technicals. I stated that I don't think there's any front or back court status during intermissions or pre game, so a throw in to start the game or half or overtime would be at the division line.

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Old Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:15am
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That only applies to the front court. If the throw-in occurs in the backcourt, it will go to the spot closest to the foul.

We actually discussed this last night in our weekly rules review meeting.

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I am only talking about fouls or violations by the offense in their backcourt (turnover) that those spots are put in at the demarcation spots. All out of bounds violations (throwing the ball away or causing the ball to go out of bounds) go to the closest spot. If it is a foul on the defense in the backcourt and we stay in the backcourt, then it goes to the spot of the foul. But that was a bone of contention last year because that was not clear to everyone or very well stated IMO in the rulebook. The CCA Manual has a better description on page 89 that was not there last year I believe.

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Old Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:17am
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We have been always told that fouls and violations go the spot of demarcations too in the backcourt. As a matter of fact, I believe that is what it says in the mechanics book. I will look at this again to be sure.



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That's only if the opposing team would then have a frontcourt throw-in. I don't have the references available at the moment.

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Backcourt throw-ins by A do not use the line of demarcation. If B was in its (B's) backcourt when it fouled or violated, then the subsequent throw-in would follow the line of demarcation.
The caveat would be if A scored, B was awarded a throw-in with the right to run the endline, and A commits a contact dead ball technical foul (or other violation or foul while the ball is dead), then B gets to attempt the free throws AND throw the ball in from their endline, still with the right to run the endline. The right to run the endline remains unless the new team on defense does something stupid after the throw-in ends (fouling the player who receives the throw-in).
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Old Mon Sep 30, 2019, 09:47am
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Back on topic. We got into a discussion last night about pre-game F2s and contact dead-ball technicals. I stated that I don't think there's any front or back court status during intermissions or pre game, so a throw in to start the game or half or overtime would be at the division line.
This comment popped into my mind this morning while perusing the Case Book while taking the NCAA-M test. Turns out your hunch was correct.

A.R. 126. Playing time has expired with the score tied, and:
1. A1 is assessed a CLASS A technical foul;
2. A1 is assessed a flagrant 2 technical foul; or
3. A1 is assessed a contact dead-ball technical foul.
RULING 1: The extra period shall start by awarding a player from Team B two free throws for the CLASS A technical foul that was assessed to A1. Play shall resume at the point of interruption, which would be a jump ball.
2: A1 shall be ejected and the extra period shall start by awarding a player from Team B two free throws for the flagrant 2 technical foul that was assessed to A1. Play shall resume with a throw-in for Team B at the division line on either side of the court. The alternating possession arrow shall be set towards Team A’s basket when the ball is placed at the disposal of Team B for the throw-in.
3: The extra period shall start by awarding a player from Team B two free throws for the contact dead-ball technical foul that was assessed to A1. Play shall resume with a throw-in for Team B at the division line on either side of the court. The alternating-possession arrow shall be set towards Team A’s basket when the ball is placed at the disposal of Team B for the throw-in.
These fouls shall count toward the team foul count, disqualification and ejection. (Rule 5-7.6)
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Old Mon Sep 30, 2019, 10:06am
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This comment popped into my mind this morning while perusing the Case Book while taking the NCAA-M test. Turns out your hunch was correct.

A.R. 126. Playing time has expired with the score tied, and:
1. A1 is assessed a CLASS A technical foul;
2. A1 is assessed a flagrant 2 technical foul; or
3. A1 is assessed a contact dead-ball technical foul.
RULING 1: The extra period shall start by awarding a player from Team B two free throws for the CLASS A technical foul that was assessed to A1. Play shall resume at the point of interruption, which would be a jump ball.
2: A1 shall be ejected and the extra period shall start by awarding a player from Team B two free throws for the flagrant 2 technical foul that was assessed to A1. Play shall resume with a throw-in for Team B at the division line on either side of the court. The alternating possession arrow shall be set towards Team A’s basket when the ball is placed at the disposal of Team B for the throw-in.
3: The extra period shall start by awarding a player from Team B two free throws for the contact dead-ball technical foul that was assessed to A1. Play shall resume with a throw-in for Team B at the division line on either side of the court. The alternating-possession arrow shall be set towards Team A’s basket when the ball is placed at the disposal of Team B for the throw-in.
These fouls shall count toward the team foul count, disqualification and ejection. (Rule 5-7.6)
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