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Old Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:28pm
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Once a player is removed from the game, (s)he cannot be reinstated for the current game. This is why flagrant fouls are reviewed, to ensure that someone does not get ejected for a flagrant foul penalty 1. Flagrant technical fouls cannot be reviewed, so if a player did something that an official deems ejection-worthy, (s)he is gone. In the context of the game, one cannot be legally "un-ejected" from that game.

The suspension and fine can be vacated, but the player will remain ejected, at least from the current game, once the ejection is issued by the calling official. I have scoured through all the basketball rulebooks and casebooks known to man, and in none of them can an ejection be undone. For that matter, neither can technical fouls.

Thus, the league is allowed to vacate the suspension for the ejection, however the ejection still happened. One cannot deny what has already happened.
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Old Fri Sep 13, 2019, 03:07pm
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Once a player is removed from the game, (s)he cannot be reinstated for the current game. This is why flagrant fouls are reviewed, to ensure that someone does not get ejected for a flagrant foul penalty 1. Flagrant technical fouls cannot be reviewed, so if a player did something that an official deems ejection-worthy, (s)he is gone. In the context of the game, one cannot be legally "un-ejected" from that game.

The suspension and fine can be vacated, but the player will remain ejected, at least from the current game, once the ejection is issued by the calling official. I have scoured through all the basketball rulebooks and casebooks known to man, and in none of them can an ejection be undone. For that matter, neither can technical fouls.

Thus, the league is allowed to vacate the suspension for the ejection, however the ejection still happened. One cannot deny what has already happened.
Incorrect. They essentially said that while the player didn't return to the game, the reason is no longer an ejection. It is a footnote. You can undo time, but you can redefine what happened. What happened did happen but it wasn't, by retroactive declaration, an ejection.
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Old Sat Sep 14, 2019, 08:55am
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I think we can all agree that the big lesson here is a fundamental one: Don't walk through players.

But by all means, please, continue to fight this man on another one of his trivial matters.
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Old Sat Sep 14, 2019, 09:43am
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George Brett "Pine Tar Game" ...

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... You can undo time, but you can redefine what happened. What happened did happen but it wasn't, by retroactive declaration, an ejection.
First off, basketball ain't baseball.

Sometimes you can go back and "do over" a baseball game, maybe most famously the George Brett "Pine Tar Game" in which Brett, who had apparently hit a ninth inning two run homer to put his Royals ahead, instead hit a game-losing home run, losing because he had too much pine tar on his bat (after Yankee manager Billy Martin brought it to the attention of the umpire), and Brett was called out, the third out of the inning and the last out of the game, the Yankees beating the Royals 4-3. The Royals protested the umpire's decision.

Four days later, American League president Lee MacPhail upheld the Royals' protest, ruling that Brett had not violated the spirit of the rules nor deliberately altered the bat to improve the distance factor. Brett's home run was restored and the game resumed with two outs in the top of the ninth inning with the Royals leading 5–4. MacPhail retroactively ejected Brett for his outburst against the umpire. He also ejected Royals manager Howser and coach Rocky Colavito for arguing with the umpires, and Royals pitcher Gaylord Perry for giving the bat to the bat boy so he could hide it in the clubhouse. The game was restarted about three weeks later with about 1,200 fans in attendance at Yankee Stadium and officially ended with the Royals winning 5–4.

Since 1913 there have been fifteen such resumed protested MLB games.



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