T Time Saturday - Help me here

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by bucky

3rd T? Unless you have some sort of league specific rules, there is no such thing. After second T, wait for him to leave gym, then shoot FT's, and continue game. If he refuses to leave gym, just forfeit game.

Originally Posted by deecee

This is wrong.....there is no limit to how many T's you can give someone. Unless something has changed recently. The only difference is after DQ, the coach is also getting indirects.

Also, as was mentioned earlier, they are not required to leave the floor. If their continued presence will inevitably cause a problem, you can send them with adult personnel to the locker room, but there isn't a requirement for them to leave.

[Raymond]

Around here players have a certain amount of time to vacate the confines of the gym (or get to the bench if children) when they get ejected. After that, it is a forfeit and I'm sure some type of suspension or banishment from that particular league.

[BillyMac]

5-4-1: The referee shall forfeit the game if a team refuses to play after
being instructed to do so by any official. The referee may also forfeit a
game if any player, team member, bench personnel or coach fails to comply
with any technical-foul penalty, or repeatedly commits technical-foul
infractions or other acts which make a travesty of the game. If the team to
which the game is forfeited is ahead, the score at the time of forfeiture shall
stand. If this team is not ahead, the score shall be recorded as 2-0 in its
favor.

5.4.1 SITUATION A COMMENT: The referee may forfeit a game if any player, team member, bench personnel or coach fails to comply with any technical foul penalty.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Around here players have a certain amount of time to vacate the confines of the gym (or get to the bench if children) when they get ejected.

Does a second (or even third) technical foul charged to a player automatically warrant an ejection?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Altor

Does a second (or even third) technical foul charged to a player automatically warrant an ejection?

2 direct T's result in a DQ. In HS all T's are direct, except for T's against bench personnel which also result in an indirect on the coach. 2 directs or any combination of 3 direct & indirect T's result in a DQ for the coach.

[RefsNCoaches]

Originally Posted by deecee

2 direct T's result in a DQ. In HS all T's are direct, except for T's against bench personnel which also result in an indirect on the coach. 2 directs or any combination of 3 direct & indirect T's result in a DQ for the coach.

This league follows the NFHS/IHSAA(Indiana) rules as the umbrella with a few "house rules"...such as, every player must play 2 full quarters, no subs, no press if up by 10 or more.

So yes, with this player getting 2 direct technicals, he was done for the day and must sit the teams next game because of getting tossed out. His coach must meet with player and the league commissioner to discuss the reason behind it and the commissioner, at his discretion will either allow him back after the 1 game off or boot them from the league. This kid will serve his one game and be back (provided they win their next game which is tournament).

We have had kids and a long time ago, a couple coaches who were booted and banned from playing and coaching in the league for fighting and just being general d-bags. They instituted a Code of Conduct that all players, parents and coaches sign off on. It's not fool proof but the league is well run and for the most part, we have eliminated a lot of the "trash" with that COC and having multiple board members on duty during the games along with Indy Metro Police officer in each gym.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Altor

Does a second (or even third) technical foul charged to a player automatically warrant an ejection?

In every venue I work it does.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Raymond

In every venue I work it does.

2 T's to a player warrants an ejection?!?!? It's results in disqualification, but only coaches are ejected under NFHS rules.

My point was what others have said. Under NFHS rules, a player (especially a minor in a HS league and having an adult coach) is not required to leave the venue just because he/she has 2 (or even 3) T's. There may be other reasons to ask him/her to leave (with supervision), but the number of T's isn't directly one of them.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Altor

2 T's to a player warrants an ejection?!?!? It's results in disqualification, but only coaches are ejected under NFHS rules.

My point was what others have said. Under NFHS rules, a player (especially a minor in a HS league and having an adult coach) is not required to leave the venue just because he/she has 2 (or even 3) T's. There may be other reasons to ask him/her to leave (with supervision), but the number of T's isn't directly one of them.

Rec leagues. Not talking about high school games.

They don't want the nonsense in their gyms.

Only recball I do is adults, so maybe it's different for children around here.

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[Altor]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Rec leagues. Not talking about high school games.

The OP specifically said HS Rec league. Barring some house rule like you mention, and especially since there appears to be an adult in the coaches box, I don't think it's prudent to "eject" a player.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by frezer11

Also, as was mentioned earlier, they are not required to leave the floor. If their continued presence will inevitably cause a problem, you can send them with adult personnel to the locker room, but there isn't a requirement for them to leave.

You misread that.

They must absolutely leave the floor after 2 T's. They're DQ'd and can no longer be a player. They need not, however, leave the bench.

[BillyMac]

10.5 SITUATION: A1 commits a flagrant technical foul against B1. RULING: The flagrant technical foul disqualifies A1 from further participation in the contest. A disqualified team member or student bench personnel shall go to or remain on the bench. However, in an unusual situation, an official has the authority to require that these individuals who have committed a flagrant technical foul must leave the vicinity of the court. This action is necessary when permitting such offenders to remain at courtside would tend to incite the crowd, to incite the opponents, or to subject the officials, opponents or others administering the game, to unsporting harassment. In such circumstances, the official should require the individual who has committed a flagrant foul to leave the vicinity of the court with an adult supervisor. It must be emphasized that an official does have this authority, when the circumstances resulting from any flagrant foul warrant it. (10-5 Penalty Note)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

They must absolutely leave the floor after 2 T's. They're DQ'd and can no longer be a player.

Minor point, but the player is disqualified after the head coach has been informed that his player is disqualified. This may have an impact on indirect technical fouls to the head coach for unsporting issues related to bench personnel.

It's not 100% clear in the original post if the player's third technical foul was before, or after, the head coach had been informed of said player's disqualification. Before? No indirect to head coach. After? Indirect to head coach and he sits.

[sdoebler]

Years ago when I worked rec ball every venue in our area had the rule that any team that received 3 technical fouls in a game immediately forfeited that game. You should use your position with the board to add to the "house rules." Very helpful in maintaining order.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

Years ago when I worked rec ball every venue in our area had the rule that any team that received 3 technical fouls in a game immediately forfeited that game.

Even "administrative" technical fouls (rosters, uniforms, numbers, etc.), of "delay" after warning technical fouls?