Illegal Screen?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

???

If the defender is trying to get to the ball handler, why would they not apply?

So you are saying any moving offensive player is responsible for any contact made between said player and a defender?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

So you are saying any moving offensive player is responsible for any contact made between said player and a defender?

Not any. But, if a defender is attempting to reach the ball handler, the offensive player's movements must be legal with respect to screening rules. If there is contact, the only direction they can be moving is directly away from that defender, otherwise, they've set an illegal screen.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not any. But, if a defender is attempting to reach the ball handler, the offensive player's movements must be legal with respect to screening rules. If there is contact, the only direction they can be moving is directly away from that defender, otherwise, they've set an illegal screen.

I would disagree. This implies that an offensive player can only move "away" from any defender otherwise they are illegal. A player is entitled to their space and can move per the OP. Both players were moving parallel and "any" contact would not have been illegal for the offense.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

I would disagree. This implies that an offensive player can only move "away" from any defender otherwise they are illegal. A player is entitled to their space and can move per the OP. Both players were moving parallel and "any" contact would not have been illegal for the offense.

If the defender is trying to get to the ball handler on the other side and the offensive player, they are not moving parallel. If the offensive player is moving and the defender is trying to get to the ball handler on the other side, the offensive player has violated the screening rules that require them to be stationary when setting a screen...and must be stationary for 1-2 steps since the opponent is moving. What you've described is a textbook illegal screen.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If the defender is trying to get to the ball handler on the other side and the offensive player, they are not moving parallel. If the offensive player is moving and the defender is trying to get to the ball handler on the other side, the offensive player has violated the screening rules that require them to be stationary when setting a screen...and must be stationary for 1-2 steps since the opponent is moving. What you've described is a textbook illegal screen.

so you're saying an offensive player that's moving MUST stop when a defender approaches them and all the onus on the contact is on the offense?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

so you're saying an offensive player that's moving MUST stop when a defender approaches them and all the onus on the contact is on the offense?

If that defender is attempting to guard someone else, yes. The offense is setting a screen whether they are trying to or not. In doing so, they must cut off the path of the defender legally and continuing to move when the defender is trying to go around them in order to guard someone else is not legal (if there is contact).

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If that defender is attempting to guard someone else, yes. The offense is setting a screen whether they are trying to or not. In doing so, they must cut off the path of the defender legally and continuing to move when the defender is trying to go around them in order to guard someone else is not legal (if there is contact).

I disagree with this. You are advocating that any offensive player that stands between a defender and an offensive player that said defender wants to guard must be either (1) moving away from the defender OR (2) remain still otherwise any contact is a foul on the defender.

This is contrary to the principle that all players have a right to place on the floor on a first come first serve basis and screening principles apply only during the act of screening.