Illegal Screen?

[Raymond]

Are there any fouls you can call that don't involve contact? What are those fouls and do they apply here?

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[ChuckS]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Are there any fouls you can call that don't involve contact? What are those fouls and do they apply here?

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Rule 4-19-14 "An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul which consists of unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play".

To call this, I assume I would have to deem that A2 deliberately impeded B2, rather than just being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ChuckS

Rule 4-19-14 "An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul which consists of unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play".

To call this, I assume I would have to deem that A2 deliberately impeded B2, rather than just being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Even that wouldn't become an unsporting foul (or a T in HS). The rule is implying such acts as taunting, swearing, overly objecting to a call, etc.

[deecee]

Even if there is contact it doesn't mean the offense did anything wrong. They are entitled to their space on the floor and screening principles don't necessarily apply here.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

Even if there is contact it doesn't mean the offense did anything wrong. They are entitled to their space on the floor and screening principles don't necessarily apply here.

???

If the defender is trying to get to the ball handler, why would they not apply?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

???

If the defender is trying to get to the ball handler, why would they not apply?

So you are saying any moving offensive player is responsible for any contact made between said player and a defender?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

So you are saying any moving offensive player is responsible for any contact made between said player and a defender?

Not any. But, if a defender is attempting to reach the ball handler, the offensive player's movements must be legal with respect to screening rules. If there is contact, the only direction they can be moving is directly away from that defender, otherwise, they've set an illegal screen.

[Altor]

In this instance, even if there was contact, I believe this is a case where a "moving screen" is legal. In fact, if B2 completely runs over A2, you might have a foul on B2.

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When screening an opponent who is moving in the same path and direction as the screener, the player behind is responsible if contact is made because the player in front slows up or stops and the player behind overruns his/her opponent.

[SC Official]

Personal fouls involve contact. Period.

(And no, technical fouls are not personal fouls.)

[ChuckS]

Originally Posted by Altor

In this instance, even if there was contact, I believe this is a case where a "moving screen" is legal. In fact, if B2 completely runs over A2, you might have a foul on B2.

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When screening an opponent who is moving in the same path and direction as the screener, the player behind is responsible if contact is made because the player in front slows up or stops and the player behind overruns his/her opponent.

In my case, A2 and B2 were not in the same path....but their paths were very close!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ChuckS

In my case, A2 and B2 were not in the same path....but their paths were very close!

Regardless of the paths, if A2 does not come in contact with B2, there can be no foul because there would be no illegal contact.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Are there any fouls you can call that don't involve contact? What are those fouls and do they apply here?

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*Well, I have observed that sometimes officials are goaded into calling the non-existent but culturally-prevalent "reaching-in" pseudo-foul when Bx is defending ball-handler Ax. Bx is maintaining their LGP but also striking at the "air-space" of the dribbled ball while trying to disrupt or steal the ball--but NEVER making contact with the arm/hand/torso of Ax. I've seen officials call this a foul when no contact is made.

[ChuckS]

Playing Devil's Advocate, based on the recent posts by DeeCee and Camron and NevadaRef:

A1, standing still at the top of the FT semi-circle, unguarded, dribbling. Cutter A2 runs parallel to the end line, through the FT lane. B1, standing near the basket, sees A2 begin his cut, and tries to draw an illegal screen call by timing his approach to "guard" A1, so that he collides with A2....illegal screen?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ChuckS

Playing Devil's Advocate, based on the recent posts by DeeCee and Camron and NevadaRef:

A1, standing still at the top of the FT semi-circle, unguarded, dribbling. Cutter A2 runs parallel to the end line, through the FT lane. B1, standing near the basket, sees A2 begin his cut, and tries to draw an illegal screen call by timing his approach to "guard" A1, so that he collides with A2....illegal screen?

Yes....or No.

You have to determine where B1 is trying to get to.

Is B1 chucking a cutter preventing A1 from getting somewhere and committing a block in doing so or is B1 trying to defend A1 and A2 is illegally cutting of B1's path to A1.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes....or No.

You have to determine where B1 is trying to get to.

Is B1 chucking a cutter preventing A1 from getting somewhere and committing a block in doing so or is B1 trying to defend A1 and A2 is illegally cutting of B1's path to A1.

NCAA-Men's wants us to call a double foul if the defender "blows up" an illegal screener.