Delay of game question

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

We had a situation recently in my chapter that I'd like some opinions on. A is trailing by 5 points. A1 makes a layup, cutting the margin to 3 points, with 4-point-something on the clock, still running. A1 grabs the ball out of the net and throws it back toward his own bench. I am aware of the specific rule/case directing the officials to ignore this delay and allow time to expire. However, at least one of the officials on this game was not aware, and blew the whistle to stop play. Now what?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

We had a situation recently in my chapter that I'd like some opinions on. A is trailing by 5 points. A1 makes a layup, cutting the margin to 3 points, with 4-point-something on the clock, still running. A1 grabs the ball out of the net and throws it back toward his own bench. I am aware of the specific rule/case directing the officials to ignore this delay and allow time to expire. However, at least one of the officials on this game was not aware, and blew the whistle to stop play. Now what?

Since he failed to follow the case play ruling and sounded his whistle, the official needs to charge a team technical foul. That is the only way to prevent the scoring team from unfairly benefitting from the illegal action.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Since he failed to follow the case play ruling and sounded his whistle, the official needs to charge a team technical foul. That is the only way to prevent the scoring team from unfairly benefitting from the illegal action.

At first I was thinking inadvertent whistle, but that would only reward the offending team. Let's go with a Player Technical for delaying the game by "Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play" (10-4-5a).

[BillyMac]

In various delay/prevent situations after a goal scored:

If the action (throw-in plane, interfering with the ball), with more than five seconds remaining in the game, is delaying the game, go with a delay of game warning (or technical foul after prior warning). If less than five seconds remaining in the game, ignore such actions.

If the action (at any point in the game, regardless of score, or time remaining) is preventing the ball from becoming live (one example, kicking the ball into the bleachers), go directly to a technical foul, not for delay of game, but for the unsporting act of preventing the ball from becoming live (no warning needed), and tack on a delay warning in the book.

The following acts have their own rule and their own penalty, regardless of the score and time remaining in the game: Knocking the ball out of A1’s hands (technical foul), and crossing the boundary line and fouling A1 (intentional personal foul), and also tack on a delay warning in the book for either.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

We had a situation recently in my chapter that I'd like some opinions on. A is trailing by 5 points. A1 makes a layup, cutting the margin to 3 points, with 4-point-something on the clock, still running. A1 grabs the ball out of the net and throws it back toward his own bench. I am aware of the specific rule/case directing the officials to ignore this delay and allow time to expire. However, at least one of the officials on this game was not aware, and blew the whistle to stop play. Now what?

See 9.2.10A. Technical foul.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Pennsylvania Coach:

The Rule to which you allude is when Team A has yet to receive a Delay of Game Warning and A1 reaches through the Boundary Plane but does not make contact with either the Ball or B1.

That said, the Play you have described is, in my opinion, is an act which cannot be ignored even if Team A has yet to receive a Delay of Game Warning. A1's actions cannot be ignored and need to be charged and penalized.

MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

See 9.2.10A. Technical foul.

Bob:

Thanks for the CB Play.

MTD, Sr.

[deecee]

Can I guess that no T was issued and the officials just went to the POI?

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by deecee

Can I guess that no T was issued and the officials just went to the POI?

You have guessed correctly.

Thanks Bob for the casebook play.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

You have guessed correctly.

Thanks Bob for the casebook play.

I can only hope this was at least on a below varsity level game (doesn't make it right, but less on the line I suppose).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

See 9.2.10A. Technical foul.

9.2.10 SITUATION A: A1 is out of bounds for a throw-in. B1 reaches through the boundary plane and knocks the ball out of A1’s hands. Team B has not been warned previously for a throw-in plane infraction. RULING: B1 is charged with a technical foul and it also results in the official having a team warning recorded and reported to the head coach. COMMENT: In situations with the clock running and five or less seconds left in the game, a throw-in plane violation or interfering with the ball following a goal should be ignored if its only purpose is to stop the clock. However, if the tactic in any way interferes with the thrower’s efforts to make a throw-in, a technical foul for delay shall be called even though no previous warning had been issued. In this situation, if the official stopped the clock and issued a team warning, it would allow the team to benefit from the tactic. (4-47-1; 10-1-5b, c; 10-3-10)

[rbruno]

I would think that one scenario could be that if a player reaches through the plane and does not touch the ball could cause his team to steal the throw in pass as he is being allowed this pressure while we wait for the clock to run out. I guess a late whistle here after the ball is stolen could wipe out this advantage, but now you've stopped the clock again so the defense still gains an advantage.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

We had a situation recently in my chapter that I'd like some opinions on. A is trailing by 5 points. A1 makes a layup, cutting the margin to 3 points, with 4-point-something on the clock, still running. A1 grabs the ball out of the net and throws it back toward his own bench. I am aware of the specific rule/case directing the officials to ignore this delay and allow time to expire. However, at least one of the officials on this game was not aware, and blew the whistle to stop play. Now what?

Pennsylvania Coach:

The Rule to which you allude is when Team A has yet to receive a Delay of Game Warning and A1 reaches through the Boundary Plane but does not make contact with either the Ball or B1.

That said, the Play you have described is, in my opinion, is an act which cannot be ignored even if Team A has yet to receive a Delay of Game Warning. A1's actions cannot be ignored and need to be charged and penalized.

MTD, Sr.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

We had a situation recently in my chapter that I'd like some opinions on. A is trailing by 5 points. A1 makes a layup, cutting the margin to 3 points, with 4-point-something on the clock, still running. A1 grabs the ball out of the net and throws it back toward his own bench. I am aware of the specific rule/case directing the officials to ignore this delay and allow time to expire. However, at least one of the officials on this game was not aware, and blew the whistle to stop play. Now what?

I don't think this is CB 9.2.10A. I believe Rule 10-4-5a is a better application.
Player Technical
ART. 5

A player shall not:

Delay the game by acts such as:

a. Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I don't think this is CB 9.2.10A. I believe Rule 10-4-5a is a better application.
Player Technical
ART. 5
A player shall not: Delay the game by acts such as:
a. Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.

In this specific case, I also prefer the "preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play" technical foul.

I'm not a big fan a "delay of game" technical foul with no previous "delay" warning (with one very specific exception, knocking the ball out of inbounder's hands).

However 9.2.10 SITUATION A does give us the "directly to technical" option: However, if the tactic in any way interferes with the thrower’s efforts to make a throw-in, a technical foul for delay shall be called even though no previous warning had been issued. In this situation, if the official stopped the clock and issued a team warning, it would allow the team to benefit from the tactic.

I'm researching "end of game delay/prevent" situations for an article I'm writing, and I'm stumbling over these two choices, and exactly which one to use, and when to use them.

I thought I had it all figured out, but 9.2.10 SITUATION A "However" now complicates matters.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In various delay/prevent situations after a goal scored:

If the action (throw-in plane, interfering with the ball), with more than five seconds remaining in the game, is delaying the game, go with a delay of game warning (or technical foul after prior warning). If less than five seconds remaining in the game, ignore such actions.

If the action (at any point in the game, regardless of score, or time remaining) is preventing the ball from becoming live (one example, kicking the ball into the bleachers), go directly to a technical foul, not for delay of game, but for the unsporting act of preventing the ball from becoming live (no warning needed), and tack on a delay warning in the book.

The following acts have their own rule and their own penalty, regardless of the score and time remaining in the game: Knocking the ball out of A1’s hands (technical foul), and crossing the boundary line and fouling A1 (intentional personal foul), and also tack on a delay warning in the book for either.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

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I thought I had it all figured out, but 9.2.10 SITUATION A "However" now complicates matters.

That case play has been around for a while, hasn't it?