When can subs come in?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by justacoach

I take issue with this. A bench player can be substituted to shoot first free throw and another bench player can be substituted to shoot second free throw. Only caveat is sub #1 cannot return and must 'sit a tick' on game clock.

Agree. For T's any sub may come in during any dead ball. It is only for personal fouls where the infringed player must shoot where subs are limited.

[Nevadaref]

Sharpshooternes,
I believe that you are unnecessarily confusing yourself with terminology.
While there is such a category as a player technical foul, there is no such thing as a personal technical foul.
What would help you is to organize the foul categories as follows: the two main categories which are mutually exclusive are personal and technical.
Now there are several modifiers such as intentional, flagrant, double, false double, simultaneous, etc.

Now the words personal and technical always go at the end with the modifiers before them. Hence, we have the four following types of fouls whereas in your original question you listed three:
Intentional personal
Intentional technical (such as deliberate contact during a dead ball)
Flagrant personal
Flagrant technical

If you consult rule 3-3-1c, you will see that the restrictions on entering substitutes are only for personal fouls.

So now give me your answers to the timing of substitution entries for each of those four types of fouls. (Before both, before last, after both)

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Sharpshooternes,
I believe that you are unnecessarily confusing yourself with terminology.
While there is such a category as a player technical foul, there is no such thing as a personal technical foul.
What would help you is to organize the foul categories as follows: the two main categories which are mutually exclusive are personal and technical.
Now there are several modifiers such as intentional, flagrant, double, false double, simultaneous, etc.

Now the words personal and technical always go at the end with the modifiers before them. Hence, we have the four following types of fouls whereas in your original question you listed three:
Intentional personal
Intentional technical (such as deliberate contact during a dead ball)
Flagrant personal
Flagrant technical

If you consult rule 3-3-1c, you will see that the restrictions on entering substitutes are only for personal fouls.

So now give me your answers to the timing of substitution entries for each of those four types of fouls. (Before both, before last, after both)

Thanks Nevada, this helps clarify that language a lot. Most helpful.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree. For T's any sub may come in during any dead ball. It is only for personal fouls where the infringed player must shoot where subs are limited.

I agree, but if I'm the T near the table, I'm going to try to have subs come in before the 1st or after the last, provided that the sub is not for the shooter. For example, if a sub comes to the table after the 1st free-throw, I'll probably have him wait until the 2nd is complete (again assuming he is not coming in to take the 2nd shot), so we don't have an unnecessary delay between shots.

[Raymond]

If the coach is trying to get the trouble-maker off the floor, I'm bringing subs before the free throws.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

If the coach is trying to get the trouble-maker off the floor, I'm bringing subs before the free throws.

Agree. Good game management.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That is not our decision to make. When a sub legally reports, we bring them in at the first opportunity. That delay is may be unnecessary, but it is allowed.

I can't really argue with you, you're right. But unless somewhat is going to complain about that (which I can't imagine anyone caring about, other than the Coach maybe being late in getting a sub for the kid who picked up the T), I think it's easy enough to just meet them at the table, and say, "Just a minute and I'll get you in here."

All of this is pretty small potatoes, but if I'm able to wait, I think I will.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I agree, but if I'm the T near the table, I'm going to try to have subs come in before the 1st or after the last, provided that the sub is not for the shooter. For example, if a sub comes to the table after the 1st free-throw, I'll probably have him wait until the 2nd is complete (again assuming he is not coming in to take the 2nd shot), so we don't have an unnecessary delay between shots.

That is not our decision to make. When a sub legally reports, we bring them in at the first opportunity. That delay is may be unnecessary, but it is allowed.