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Old Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:07am
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While researching a different topic (free throw whistle after timeout) in the current IAABO (not the NFHS) mechanics manual, I came across this: Officials do not switch positions after a timeout.

While it most certainly refers to the basketball official's definition of "switch" (as in lead and trail switch after a foul is called), maybe it can also mean the generic definition of "switch" (as in positions are not to be changed and positions are to be as prior to the timeout being granted (italicized words used to be in the IAABO mechanics manual, but are no longer there).

Yeah, I know, it's a stretch.

Is there anything in the NFHS mechanics manual regarding where to administer a run the endline throwin after a timeout where the inbounder (or coach) wants the ball at a location that is different from the location before the timeout? Especially where it would involve officials moving from their positions prior to the timeout?
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Old Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:31am
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Officials do not switch positions after a timeout ... positions are to be as prior to the timeout being granted.
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Is there anything in the NFHS mechanics manual regarding where to administer a run the endline throwin after a timeout where the inbounder (or coach) wants the ball at a location that is different from the location before the timeout? Especially where it would involve officials moving from their positions prior to the timeout?
Just realized that this is more complex than I thought. Seems easy enough (common sense) in a real game (thank God), but becomes more complex when one tries to find guidelines in the mechanics manual.

Team B scores. New Trail, is tableside. Team A player picks up the ball and steps out of bounds opposite tableside, halfway between the lane line and the sideline. Team A requests and is granted a timeout.

Where is the "administration spot"? New Trail's tableside location on the endline? Or opposite tableside, halfway between the lane line and the sideline?

Does the length (thirty or sixty) of the timeout matter? Or anywhere on the endlne as requested (at anytime before, during, or after the timeout) by the inbounder (or coach)?

Same situation, but instead of Team A player picking up the ball and stepping out of bounds, the ball has just passed through the basket and timeout is requested and granted (dead ball) to either team.

Where is the "administration spot"? New Trail's tableside location on the endline? Does the length (thirty or sixty) of the timeout matter? Or anywhere on the endlne as requested (at anytime before, during, or after the timeout) by the inbounder (or coach)?

Any guideline on this in the NFHS (or IAABO) mechanics manual?
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Old Wed Mar 17, 2021, 12:04pm
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Same situation, but instead of Team A player picking up the ball and stepping out of bounds, the ball has just passed through the basket and timeout is requested and granted to either team ... Does the length (thirty or sixty) of the timeout matter?
In a real game, using common sense, if I'm the new Trail, I will set myself up depending on the the timeout position of my partner.

If he's tableside for a thirty second timeout, I will be ready to administer on the endline opposite tableside. If he's opposite tableside for a sixty second timeout, I will be ready to administer on the endline tableside.

Keeps my partner (on the jump ball circle) from having to cross the basket line.

No citations for this, never instructed to do this, it's just me.
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Old Wed Mar 17, 2021, 02:41pm
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In a real game, using common sense, if I'm the new Trail, I will set myself up depending on the the timeout position of my partner.

If he's tableside for a thirty second timeout, I will be ready to administer on the endline opposite tableside. If he's opposite tableside for a sixty second timeout, I will be ready to administer on the endline tableside.

Keeps my partner (on the jump ball circle) from having to cross the basket line.

No citations for this, never instructed to do this, it's just me.
I might have to try that sometime. But for now, I'm fortunate to be able to work in crews of three; one of the other two is always crossing the basketline at the end of a timeout.
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Old Wed Mar 17, 2021, 03:37pm
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I'm fortunate to be able to work in crews of three ...
Shut up.

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Old Wed Mar 17, 2021, 04:03pm
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Shut up.

Sorry, BillyMac, but with varsity @ just $59/ea. and JV @ $48/ea., I'm happy to be joined by a Center Official.


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Old Wed Mar 17, 2021, 04:39pm
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... but with varsity @ just $59/ea. and JV @ $48/ea., I'm happy to be joined by a Center Official.
The few three person games we have here in Connecticut are almost all in the two richest local boards (near New York City), getting: varsity fee: $100.07; sub varsity fee: $64.93; same fees as two person games for the entire state. The other four local boards (in poorer parts of the state, both urban and rural), with few, or no, three person games, would consider reducing fees to encourage the use of more three person crews, but the rich guys down in the southwest corner (not my little corner) will not even consider that suggestion (would you) and fees are set statewide, not by local boards.

That's one reason (but not the only reason) why there are so few three person games in Connecticut, our urban and rural school systems can't afford three multiplied by $100.07 (or $64.93), and the rich guys in the New York City suburbs don't want their fees reduced for three person crews.
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