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Things That Make You Go Hmmm ...
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6-7 The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when: ART. 1 A goal, as in 5-1, is made. ART. 2 It is apparent the free throw will not be successful on a: a. Free throw which is to be followed by another free throw. b. Free throw which is to be followed by a throw-in. ART. 3 A held ball occurs, or the ball lodges between the backboard and ring or comes to rest on the flange. ART. 4 A player-control or team-control foul occurs. ART. 5 An official’s whistle is blown. ART. 6 Time expires for a quarter or extra period. ART. 7 A foul, other than player-control or team-control, occurs. ART. 8 A free-throw violation by the throwing team occurs. ART. 9 A violation, as in 9-2 through 13, occurs. Hmmm. I can't find, "Coach requesting a timeout when his/her player has player control", on the list. Odd? I can find, "An official's whistle is blown", on the list which could be an official's response to granting a timeout when a coach's player has player control.
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If the throwin had already been made when the timeout was granted, I'm giving it to them at a designated spot. If there's some question in my mind regarding exactly when it was granted, I will allow them to run the endline.
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Global Warming ???
I sure hope that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. doesn't freeze to death in his sub-freezing, Toledo, Ohio attic checking this out.
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6-7 EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when: Article 5 (official's whistle is blown) occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight. The ball isn't dead, count the basket, grant the timeout, run the endline after the timeout. By rule it's the whistle that makes the ball dead, not the act of granting. One of the rare exceptions to Basketball Rule Fundamental 16, the official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead).
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Socratic Method ...
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Nice followup question Raymond. Are you a teacher?
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I'm just imagining the fun you would have in a game where 8 seconds is remaining, Team A is losing by 2 points, AP arrow to Team B, time-out request, shot released, whistle blows, A1's "try" is an airball and is caught in the paint by A2. You would then be sending the teams to their bench areas for Team A's time-out followed by giving the ball to Team B after the time-out due to the AP arrow.
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The Rulebook Is My Friend ...
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Also, I'm not against bending some rules for the purpose of good game management. Especially when I can get together with my partner to discuss what "really happened" (wink ,wink).
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My most accomplished supervisor is my HS assignor. His favorite phrase is "I want officials who make good decisions". Notice, I never tell other officials how to handle situations. I always say either what I would do (and why) or what my supervisors expect.
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Rome, New York ???
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I also realize that there is one way to answer written test questions, and maybe another way to handle a situation on the court. I've been around the block a few times and have been to several rodeos, as I guess Raymond has, maybe even few more times around the block, and maybe even a few more rodeos for Raymond.
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Grant Team A's TO request because there was PC by A1 when A-HC made the TO request. Any action after the request was made is not relevant unless it is a Intentional or Flagrant Foul. MTD, Sr.
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No Retroactive Dead Ball Here ...
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We can certainly debate whether, or not, the official should verify that the ball is still in player control after verifying that the request is being made by the head coach. That specific issue is certainly up for debate. But please let's not use that specific issue to muddy the water in regard to when the ball actually becomes dead. We cannot debate when the ball becomes dead. That's already in black and white in the rulebook. It becomes dead when the whistle sounds, there is no such thing as a "retroactive dead ball". The ball neither becomes dead at the request, nor at the granting, unless either happens simultaneously with the whistle. You can look it up (Casey Stengel).
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You can debate it or not debate it but this is one of those examples of the rule says one thing but the way it is done is another. We had a long discussion about this a while back as it related to the player going out of bounds asking for timeout. He asked for timeout a split second before he lands out of bounds, but he lands before the whistle. Do you give him the timeout or call the violation? A strict reading of the rule says one thing but the way things are says another.
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