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Who has team control just prior to the inadvertent whistle? Nobody. Basketball Points of Emphasis - 2017-18 Team control, throw-in. The relevance of team control during a throw-in only applies when a member of the throw- in team fouls. Such fouls shall be ruled team control fouls. Team control during a throw-in is NOT intended to be the same as player control/team control inbounds. Team control inbounds is established when a player from either team who has inbound status gains control of the ball. During the throw-in, 10-seconds, 3-seconds, frontcourt status, backcourt status, closely guarded, etc., are NOT factors as there has yet to be player control/team control obtained inbounds. 4-36: Point Of Interruption ART. 1 Method of resuming play due to an official's inadvertent whistle, an interrupted game, as in 5-4-3, a correctable error, as in 2-10-6, a double personal, double technical or simultaneous foul, as in 4-19-8 and 4-19-10. ART. 2 Play shall be resumed by one of the following methods: a. A throw-in to the team that was in control at an out-of-bounds spot nearest to where the ball was located when the interruption occurred. b. A free throw or a throw-in when the interruption occurred during this activity or if a team is entitled to such. c. A jump ball or alternating-possession throw-in when neither team is in control and no goal, infraction, nor end of quarter/extra period is involved when the game is interrupted. ART. 3 When the ball remains live after a violation or foul (as in 4-19- 8) during a try for goal, the point of interruption is determined to be when the ball becomes dead following the violation or foul. Since neither team has team control at the time of the inadvertent whistle, I suggest that, by rule, the officials should go to the alternating possession arrow. Now I will agree that that doesn't sound fair, but I believe it's by the book.
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What if nine players responded to the whistle by doing nothing and only one responded by grabbing the ball? Sounds a little (but not exactly the same) like when incorrect instructions are given by the officials on a free throw and some players react in one manner and others react in another manner. 8.6.1 SITUATION: A1 is about to attempt the first of a one-and-one free-throw situation. The administering official steps in and erroneously informs players that two free throws will be taken. A1's first attempt is unsuccessful. The missed free throw is rebounded by: (a) B1, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw; (b) A2, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw; or (c) B2, with several players from both teams attempting to secure the rebound. The officials recognize their error at this point. RULING: In (a) and (b), the official's error clearly put one team at a disadvantage (players stood motionless and didn't attempt to rebound). Play should be ruled dead immediately and resumed using the alternating-possession procedure. In (c), both teams made an attempt to rebound despite the official's error and had an equal opportunity to gain possession of the rebound. Play should continue. (2-3; 2-10) How often do coaches and officials tell kids to play the whistle? Now I will agree that that doesn't sound like the simplest way to handle this, after all one player has possession of the ball, but I believe that, by rule, the officials should go to the alternating possession arrow.
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Throwin, but no inadvertent whistle:
4.19.8 SITUATION F: A1 releases the ball on a throw-in, and before it is legally touched, A2 and B2 commit fouls against each other. RULING: When a double foul occurs, play is resumed at the point of interruption. Since Team A’s throw-in had not ended, the point of interruption would be a throw-in by Team A. (4-36-2b; 10 Penalty 1c) Inadvertent whistle, player control, team control, no team control: 7.5.3 SITUATION: An official sounds his/her whistle inadvertently: (a) while A1 is dribbling and in player control; (b) while the pass is in flight from A1 (in A’s backcourt) to A2 (in A’s frontcourt); (c) while A1's unsuccessful three-point try attempt is in flight; or (d) while A’s successful try attempt is in flight. RULING: The ball is put in play at the point of interruption. In (a), Team A is awarded a throw-in at the nearest out-of-bounds spot to where the ball was when the whistle was inadvertently sounded. In (b), since the ball is being passed among teammates and is in flight, it retains the same location as when it was last in contact with A1 in Team A’s backcourt. Therefore, Team A is awarded a throw-in at the nearest out-of-bounds spot to where A1 was when the whistle was sounded. In (c) and (d), the ball does not become dead until the try ends. In (c), since there is no team control when the ball becomes dead, the ball is put in play by the team entitled to the throw-in using the alternating-possession procedure at a spot nearest to where A1 was last in contact with ball when the whistle was sounded. In (d), since a goal has been scored by Team A, the ball is given to Team B for a throw-in anywhere along the end line. (7-4-4; 4-4-3; 4-12-3,6; 4-36)
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What is it about this portion of your citation that you do not understand? Quote:
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In this specific case, does it mean that play resumes by a throwin because the inadvertent whistle interruption occurred during a throwin that never ended because it wasn't touched by another player? If that's the case, I stand corrected. So for inadvertent whistle interruptions during a free throw, or a throwin, it's not about team control? Correct. Thanks BigCat and Raymond.
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Possession 9/10's Of The Law ...
Is this incorrect, correct would be to have a throwin do-over?
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A few minutes ago I would have thought it had everything to do with team control, or lack of team control. Now I know that that is not true regarding free throws, or throwins.
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I knew I shouldn't have put that in there. Bad move on my part and just added confusion. I did it because I was originally going to make this point and decided to be more pithy:
If the inadvertent whistle from the OP occurred a) before any player touched the throw-in, the POI is a throw-in for Team A. b) after a player touched the throw-in in bounds but before any player controlled the ball, the POI is the arrow c) after a player controlled the ball, the POI is a throw-in for the team in control. |
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4-36: Point Of Interruption ART. 1 Method of resuming play due to an official's inadvertent whistle, an interrupted game, as in 5-4-3, a correctable error, as in 2-10-6, a double personal, double technical or simultaneous foul, as in 4-19-8 and 4-19-10. ART. 2 Play shall be resumed by one of the following methods: a. A throw-in to the team that was in control at an out-of-bounds spot nearest to where the ball was located when the interruption occurred. b. A free throw or a throw-in when the interruption occurred during this activity or if a team is entitled to such. c. A jump ball or alternating-possession throw-in when neither team is in control and no goal, infraction, nor end of quarter/extra period is involved when the game is interrupted. ART. 3 When the ball remains live after a violation or foul (as in 4-19- 8) during a try for goal, the point of interruption is determined to be when the ball becomes dead following the violation or foul.
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