Reaching out of your area

[Randa16]

I have put in years at being a good ref. Do I miss calls? Yes a few a year but the last thing I need is some old guy trying to be super ref and not watch his area. The call I reversed was because he was way out of position, I was standing right there, it was a bad call and he is not going to make me look stupid. You all can not like it all you want but you know the kind of ref I am talking about.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Randa16

I have put in years at being a good ref. Do I miss calls? Yes a few a year but the last thing I need is some old guy trying to be super ref and not watch his area. The call I reversed was because he was way out of position, I was standing right there, it was a bad call and he is not going to make me look stupid. You all can not like it all you want but you know the kind of ref I am talking about.

Then you might want to move up to a level where you don't have to deal with that.

I'm still trying to envision this unpleasant conversation. Is it a conversation where you berate your partner and he just sits there and takes it?

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Randa16

I have put in years at being a good ref. Do I miss calls? Yes a few a year but the last thing I need is some old guy trying to be super ref and not watch his area. The call I reversed was because he was way out of position, I was standing right there, it was a bad call and he is not going to make me look stupid. You all can not like it all you want but you know the kind of ref I am talking about.

No good ref reverses a call like you were talking about. Make you look stupid? How about what you did to your partner?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Randa16

I have put in years at being a good ref. Do I miss calls? Yes a few a year but the last thing I need is some old guy trying to be super ref and not watch his area. The call I reversed was because he was way out of position, I was standing right there, it was a bad call and he is not going to make me look stupid. You all can not like it all you want but you know the kind of ref I am talking about.

Well if you want to move up the ranks, ever, you will deal with "old guys" doing all kinds of things and calling all kinds of things and you better not every act that way towards them or you will have a short career. IJS.

Peace

[hamnegger]

Originally Posted by Randa16

I have put in years at being a good ref. Do I miss calls? Yes a few a year but the last thing I need is some old guy trying to be super ref and not watch his area. The call I reversed was because he was way out of position, I was standing right there, it was a bad call and he is not going to make me look stupid. You all can not like it all you want but you know the kind of ref I am talking about.

1. Only a few missed calls a year? Wow!
2. It is not about us not liking it but you have chosen to flat out violate a rule which states no official has the authority to change another officials ruling. You just took a mistake and compounded it.

My goal for every game is to be under 1.5 IC's per game and hopefully under 2.5 INC's.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by randa16

i have put in years at being a good ref. do i miss calls? Yes a few a year but the last thing i need is some old guy trying to be super ref and not watch his area. The call i reversed was because he was way out of position, i was standing right there, it was a bad call and he is not going to make me look stupid. You all can not like it all you want but you know the kind of ref i am talking about.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Randa16

Do I miss calls? Yes a few a year ...

[Randa16]

I do high school games and have done a little community College. I still do youth only because they are always short officials and I am friends with the guys who assigns games and he flips me extra money to cover. . High school no problems 95% of the time. Youth is a train wreck.

[Raymond]

As long as you do Youth ball you will get "train wreck" partners. And any of those partners old enough to have teenagers of their own aren't going to sit around the locker room (or whatever changing area you have) while you berate them for calling in your area.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

As long as you do Youth ball you will get "train wreck" partners. And any of those partners old enough to have teenagers of their own aren't going to sit around the locker room (or whatever changing area you have) while you berate them for calling in your area.

You will be lucky if they even care at all what you have to say at that level. They might go right back to what they are doing and might even call more in your area.

Peace

[ilyazhito]

I think I may have had a partner just like that yesterday at a CYO tournament. No pregame conference whatsoever, he would call in my primary area with primary-timed whistles, he would rarely switch except for shooting fouls. He said that he had been officiating for 13 years, including varsity games, but with his lack of communication with me on the court and improper mechanics, I find it hard to believe him.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I think I may have had a partner just like that yesterday at a CYO tournament. No pregame conference whatsoever, he would call in my primary area with primary-timed whistles, he would rarely switch except for shooting fouls. He said that he had been officiating for 13 years, including varsity games, but with his lack of communication with me on the court and improper mechanics, I find it hard to believe him.

Let me let you in on a little secret. No one cares about any other level other than varsity. Why? They do not have to. Those games are mostly for those that have a body.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

... CYO tournament. No pregame conference whatsoever, he would call in my primary area with primary-timed whistles, he would rarely switch except for shooting fouls. He said that he had been officiating for 13 years, including varsity games, but with his lack of communication with me on the court and improper mechanics, I find it hard to believe him.

ilyazhito: Are you 100% certain that you understand the "culture" of the assigner and the officials in this league?

I worked a Catholic middle school league for over thirty years where the assigner had very high expectations for his officials in some areas of the game. Always be on time, dress in full uniform (no sweats, no sneakers), enforce all fashion rules, manage the game (control the coaches), always hustle up and down the court. However, some mechanics were more relaxed. Switch when convenient, bounce the ball across the lane on front court endline throwins, etc. Pregames were never held, but post games, especially when working with new guys, were very important for educational purposes.

More than two thirds of the officials working in this league for this assigner were high school varsity officials, and about a third were state tournament officials. Outstanding officials, high expectations, but relaxed mechanics. That was the culture of this league.