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Old Wed Jan 09, 2019, 11:17am
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And since a timeout was requested, it can't be revoked even though erroneously granted.
For the young'uns. Reminds me of a slightly off topic situation when the table crew screws up and sounds the horn for substitutes at a time when substitutes aren't allowed to enter and the official sounds his whistle to address/question the sounding of the horn.

I've seen officials, at this point, not allow the substitutes to enter and force them to wait at the table until the next opportunity to substitute.

They have to be allowed to enter. After the whistle to address/question the horn the ball is dead and the clock is stopped. An official cannot not allow the substitutes to enter at this time.

3-3-1-D: If entry is at any time other than between quarters, and a substitute
who is entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorer, the scorer
shall use a sounding device or game horn, if, or as soon as, the ball is
dead and the clock is stopped.
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Old Wed Jan 09, 2019, 11:21am
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(With apologies to Hamlet and Billy Shakespeare.)



For the young'uns. Reminds me of a slightly off topic situation when the table crew screws up and sounds the horn for substitutes at a time when substitutes aren't allowed to enter and the official sounds his whistle to address/question the sounding of the horn.

I've seen officials, at this point, not allow the substitutes to enter and force them to wait at the table until the next opportunity to substitute.

They have to be allowed to enter. After the whistle to address/question the horn the ball is dead and the clock is stopped. An official cannot not allow the substitutes to enter at this time.

3-3-1-D: If entry is at any time other than between quarters, and a substitute
who is entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorer, the scorer
shall use a sounding device or game horn, if, or as soon as, the ball is
dead and the clock is stopped.
For the young'uns, this rule is different at the college level in the last minute of regulation and overtime.
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Old Wed Jan 09, 2019, 11:30am
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For the young'uns, this rule is different at the college level in the last minute of regulation and overtime.
No way? Highly paid, highly experienced, highly trained, very professional college table crews screw up and sound the horn for substitutes at a time when substitutes aren't allowed to enter? Please say it ain't so.
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Old Wed Jan 09, 2019, 11:41am
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No way? Highly paid, highly experienced, highly trained, very professional college table crews screw up and sound the horn for substitutes at a time when substitutes aren't allowed to enter? Please say it ain't so.
Or an official blowing his whistle when he shouldn't have. Here are just 2 case plays, there are more:

A.R. 45. After a successful field goal with 48 seconds left on the game clock, the timer sounds the game-clock horn for substitute A6 to enter the game.

RULING: A6 shall not be permitted to enter. While the game clock is stopped after successful field goals in the last 59.9 seconds of play, only
those substitutions permitted by rule are allowed. A team may request a timeout and then make substitutions anytime the ball is dead and the
game clock is stopped.

(Rule 3-6.1.h)

A.R. 46. Team A scores with 59.9 seconds left to play in the second half.

1. The timer fails to stop the game clock. The official blows his whistle to stop the clock and to correct the mistake. During this stoppage, Team A
requests a timeout; or

2. The official inadvertently blows his whistle to recognize a timeout request by Team A when the ball is at Team B’s disposal for a throw-in; or

3. Team B is having difficulty inbounding the ball because of defensive pressure and requests a timeout.

May these timeout requests be granted and when are substitutions permitted to enter the game?

RULING 1: The request by either team for a timeout shall be recognized and granted since the request was made during a dead ball.
Substitutions are permitted during this timeout period. However, when a timeout is not requested, there shall be no substitution during the
dead-ball period created by the timer’s mistake.

2: The inadvertent whistle shall be ignored. When Team A requests a timeout during this dead ball, the timeout shall be recognized and
granted since the request occurred during the dead ball created by the inadvertent whistle. Substitutions are permitted during this
timeout period. However, when a timeout is not requested, there shall be no substitution during the dead-ball period created by the
inadvertent whistle.

3: Team B’s request for a timeout shall be recognized and granted because a player of that team is in control of the ball. Substitutions
are permitted during this timeout.

(Rule 3-6.1.h)
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