Player Control for Time-Out

[billenglish61]

Happened to me tonight. 2nd free throw is missed by home team with ~4 seconds left in the game. They are ahead by 3 points. During the rebound, Visitor coach runs at me (I'm near the scorer's table) and yells "Time Out", even though his player 1 is batting the ball from the rebound to his player b. I grant the time-out. Home coach goes crazy.

I think I missed this call - reading again tonight in 5-8-3, it talks about timeouts can only be granted when the ball is in control of a player - I'm thinking that batting the ball is not player control????

[ODog]

You're correct … that you were incorrect.

Look up the definition of player control.

[SC Official]

And since a timeout was requested, it can't be revoked even though erroneously granted. Resume play with the AP arrow following the TO since there was no team control.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

And since a timeout was requested, it can't be revoked even though erroneously granted.

SC Official's post is 100% correct for the original post, requested and granted.

Young'uns should know that granted timeouts can be "revoked" under certain circumstances, when the timeout is granted without being requested.

5.8.3 SITUATION E: A1 is dribbling the ball in his/her
backcourt when: (a) the Team B head coach requests and is
erroneously granted a time-out by an official; or (b) the Team
A head coach is yelling “side out” offensive instructions to
his/her team and the official stops play believing the coach
requested a time-out. RULING: In (a), Team B is entitled to
use the time-out since it was requested and granted; once
granted it cannot be revoked and is charged to Team B. All
privileges and rights permitted during a charged time-out are
available to both teams. Play will resume with a Team A
throw-in nearest to where play was stopped. In (b), an
inadvertent whistle has occurred. Team A was not requesting
a time-out, and therefore, should not be granted or charged
with one. Play is resumed at the point of interruption. (4-36-1;
4-36-2a)

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Already fixed it before your post. Your post was 100% correct for the original post. I just wanted young'uns to know that granted timeouts can be "revoked" under certain circumstances. Interpretation cited was a good one, I just did poor job of introducing it.

Post deleted.

[BillyMac]

(With apologies to Hamlet and Billy Shakespeare.)

Originally Posted by SC Official

And since a timeout was requested, it can't be revoked even though erroneously granted.

For the young'uns. Reminds me of a slightly off topic situation when the table crew screws up and sounds the horn for substitutes at a time when substitutes aren't allowed to enter and the official sounds his whistle to address/question the sounding of the horn.

I've seen officials, at this point, not allow the substitutes to enter and force them to wait at the table until the next opportunity to substitute.

They have to be allowed to enter. After the whistle to address/question the horn the ball is dead and the clock is stopped. An official cannot not allow the substitutes to enter at this time.

3-3-1-D: If entry is at any time other than between quarters, and a substitute
who is entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorer, the scorer
shall use a sounding device or game horn, if, or as soon as, the ball is
dead and the clock is stopped.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

(With apologies to Hamlet and Billy Shakespeare.)



For the young'uns. Reminds me of a slightly off topic situation when the table crew screws up and sounds the horn for substitutes at a time when substitutes aren't allowed to enter and the official sounds his whistle to address/question the sounding of the horn.

I've seen officials, at this point, not allow the substitutes to enter and force them to wait at the table until the next opportunity to substitute.

They have to be allowed to enter. After the whistle to address/question the horn the ball is dead and the clock is stopped. An official cannot not allow the substitutes to enter at this time.

3-3-1-D: If entry is at any time other than between quarters, and a substitute
who is entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorer, the scorer
shall use a sounding device or game horn, if, or as soon as, the ball is
dead and the clock is stopped.

For the young'uns, this rule is different at the college level in the last minute of regulation and overtime.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

For the young'uns, this rule is different at the college level in the last minute of regulation and overtime.

No way? Highly paid, highly experienced, highly trained, very professional college table crews screw up and sound the horn for substitutes at a time when substitutes aren't allowed to enter? Please say it ain't so.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by billenglish61

5-8-3, it talks about timeouts can only be granted when the ball is in control of a player - I'm thinking that batting the ball is not player control?

4-12-1: A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or -
dribbling a live ball. There is no player control when, during a jump ball, a
jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor or a non-jumper,
or during an interrupted dribble.

5-8-3: Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an
official: Grants and signals a player’s/head coach’s oral or visual
request for a time-out, such request being granted only when:
a. The ball is at the disposal or in control of a player of his/her team.
b. The ball is dead, unless replacement of a disqualified, or injured
player(s), or a player directed to leave the game is pending, and a
substitute(s) is available and required.