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Defense Counting out loud
Team A has the ball OOB for a Throw in. B1 counting out loud, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7...
One of our officials said, it's an unsportsmanlike act and disallowed the out loud counting.... Thoughts? |
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I would not allow a player to do this for the most part. Not sure I would say it is "unsporting." It just will lead to other issues I would rather avoid.
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That falls under attempting to influence an official's call for me. I'll tell them to knock it off. I T'd up a coach for counting to 3 for 3-second calls one summer.
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I'd say the same thing. It's a bizarre tactic, to say the least. When I hear that, I think about calling the requested violation AGAINST the team doing the count out loud, just to make a point, but I don't actually do that in a game.
How do I tell a coach to knock it off, while using normal professional language? Saying "knock it off", "shut up", or similar expressions would be rude, so I need an alternative way to convey the same message politely, but firmly. If a team counts when the other team has the ball, trying to cause a violation, I would warn, and then give a technical foul. If coach or a player keeps asking for a call, he'll get a call, just not the one that he expects . |
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BTW, never had to give more than this kind of warning to get this to stop. Don't think I would have to think this through any more than what I stated. Peace
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Now that I think about it, for a high school game you could give a bench warning.
Rule: 4-48 ART. 1 A warning to a head coach/bench personnel for misconduct is an administrative procedure by an official, which is recorded in the scorebook by the scorer and reported to the head coach. For conduct, such as that described in Rule 10-5, Articles 1 (a, b d, e, f), 2 and 4, the official shall warn the head coach unless the offense is judged to be major, in which case a technical foul shall be assessed. Rule 10-5 ART. 1 The head coach is responsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team members and all other bench personnel. Bench personnel, including the head coach, shall not: Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as: b. Attempting to influence an official's decision.
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He’s referring to his personal experience of dealing with a coach who counted three seconds, I believe.
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A loud and emphatic: "Knock it off!" sends the message to both teams that they are not to do it and that it will not be tolerated.
If a HC questions you about it just tell him that the Rules specifically state that the Administering Game Official will give a visual and silent count and now one else will infringe upon the Game Official's duties. MTD, Sr.
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If the OP, I'm probably ignoring it unless I felt that it was intended to show-up the official (i.e. if they had complained about a previous count and then started doing it - I could go straight to a technical in that case).
There's no problem with the offense counting out loud (I've heard the bench communicate before to let a player know they are closely guarded - "he's counting, 3, 4..."). I'm allowing the defense to communicate a count if they want -- again as long as I don't think it's being done to show-up/influence the official. I'm more concerned with the coach counting out 3 seconds trying to get a 3 second call. The new warning from last year works well in that case if necessary. |
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