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[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Totally agree. I get why this happens or people think this is the a good thing on the surface, but when it is about the person that assigns in your group and that relationship with the group is strained, then this is what can and will happen.

Peace

The more I hear about drama that happens in associations that have assigning authority, the more I wish we had the college-style arrangement that your state has.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The more I hear about drama that happens in associations that have assigning authority, the more I wish we had the college-style arrangement that your state has.

They're not all like that. Probably not even most.

And what do you mean like college-style? Here, it is one assignor for 200-300+ miles in all directions that has all of the D3 and NAIA schools and one that has a few of the JC's. College, here, is far more restricted than HS. A person can find 20-30 (or more) different HS associations in the area of 2 college assignors.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

They're not all like that. Probably not even most.

And what do you mean like college-style? Here, it is one assignor for 200-300+ miles in all directions that has all of the D3 and NAIA schools and one that has a few of the JC's. College, here, is far more restricted than HS. A person can find 20-30 (or more) different HS associations in the area of 2 college assignors.

Conferences hire their own assigner. That is what I mean by college-style. Thought that was pretty obvious in context.

Problem is in my state, schools don’t form conferences.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Conferences hire their own assigner. That is what I mean by college-style. Thought that was pretty obvious in context.

You're making some assumptions. Your context implied that being college gave the officials a choice of who to work for. Just being college doesn't make that true when the conferences hire the same assignor.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You're making some assumptions. Your context implied that being college gave the officials a choice of who to work for. Just being college doesn't make that true when the conferences hire the same assignor.

Never did I make any assumptions. My point was that it can prevent the perceived or actual conflicts of interest.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Never did I make any assumptions. My point was that it can prevent the perceived or actual conflicts of interest.

I guess I just don't get your point. Can you elaborate?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Never did I make any assumptions. My point was that it can prevent the perceived or actual conflicts of interest.

What Camron is saying is that the problem persists at the college level too because several conferences will use the same assignor. For example, if the MWC, PAC-12, WCC, and Big12 all use the same assignor and his pool of officials, then you are in the same situation as a single HS association.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I guess I just don't get your point. Can you elaborate?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What Camron is saying is that the problem persists at the college level too because several conferences will use the same assignor. For example, if the MWC, PAC-12, WCC, and Big12 all use the same assignor and his pool of officials, then you are in the same situation as a single HS association.

Makes sense. Poor wording choice by me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What Camron is saying is that the problem persists at the college level too because several conferences will use the same assignor. For example, if the MWC, PAC-12, WCC, and Big12 all use the same assignor and his pool of officials, then you are in the same situation as a single HS association.

On this side of the country, an assignor may have multiple conferences, but it doesn't mean an official will work or sign a contract for all those conferences. Regardless of how many conferences a supervisor has, most college officials work for multiple supervisors.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The more I hear about drama that happens in associations that have assigning authority ...

My local IAABO board (it's actually the elected executive committee) hires an assigner on a one year contract, $32,025.00 for 2018-19. Been that way for thirty-eight years, and probably longer.

I'm a journeyman official and I can't complain, I get a full schedule, including many high level games, usually as the umpire with a high level partner.

I never hear any complaining from the younger officials, probably because of our new evaluation system that does away with years of experience and goes with evaluations by a highly trained committee.

Our assignment system is ripe for problems, in 100% IAABO Connecticut, if one wants to officiate interscholastic games anywhere in the two counties we cover, there's only one assigner, it's a really restrictive monopoly.

And except for those grandfathered in, one can only work in the county where one resides, so unlike Bonnie and Clyde often did, we can't cross county lines.

But it works. We have a both great assigner, and a great evaluation system.

Many officials usually want more games. Well, as they often say, be careful what you wish for.

Last season, due to weather reschedules, during one week in February I worked Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights. For the first time ever, I had to do laundry in midweek, or I would run out of uniforms. For the first time in my career I had too many games, I couldn't wait for Sunday to get a night off.

[RefCT]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

And except for those grandfathered in, one can only work in the county where one resides, so unlike Bonnie and Clyde often did, we can't cross county lines.

Reread the policy Bill. They recently changed it to accepting duals if they only accept assignments from our board. Probably to get around the lawsuit findings regarding independent consultant status.



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RefCT

Reread the policy Bill. They recently changed it to accepting duals if they only accept assignments from our board. Probably to get around the lawsuit findings regarding independent consultant status.

Our local board Dual Member Policy (dated March, 2018) is worded as RefCT states above, however, our most recent (Fall, 2018) local board recruit application specifically states that the applicant must reside in our little corner of Connecticut. Maybe once one becomes a member, one can move around. Dual membership has always been a mystery to me. RefCT sounds like he knows what he's talking about and knows much more about it than me. Does a dual member have to pay dues to both his parent board and his assigning board?

Like Bonnie and Clyde, maybe we can cross county lines.

[RefCT]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Does a dual member have to pay dues to both his parent board and his assigning board?

I don't really understand it. I am a dual member and pay dues to our board, but apparently my home board controls all my information related to IAABO and (presumably), the CIAC. I don't pay or interact with my home board at all.

The only reason why I knew about the policy change is I am probably giving officiating up this year and was wondering if I could join Bd 6 again if I chose to ref in the future and looked it up last week.

Unfortunately, working in the Hartford area doesn't make it very easy to get to anywhere else in the state in time for a high school game so I really can only realistically work for Bd 6 as long as I am stuck working in "New England's Rising Star".



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RefCT

... working in the Hartford area doesn't make it very easy to get to anywhere else in the state in time for a high school game ...

Before I retired from my day job as a chemist I had to travel through the Hartford area on my daily commute. The traffic is a perfect storm of I-84, I-91, Route 15, the Bulkeley Bridge, the Charter Oak Bridge, all pressed tight against the Connecticut River.

Add skiers heading north on a winter Friday night, and those heading east to Newport and Cape Cod on a summer Friday night, makes for a traffic disaster.

Throw in one fender bender, or a little construction, and traffic comes to a halt.

Whoever came up with the New England phrase, "You can't get there from here" was referring to this area.

The traffic engineer who designed this junction back in the 1950's should be shot.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Before I retired from my day job as a chemist I had to travel through the Hartford area on my daily commute. The traffic is a perfect storm of I-84, I-91, Route 15, the Bulkeley Bridge, the Charter Oak Bridge, all pressed tight against the Connecticut River.

Add skiers heading north on a winter Friday night, and those heading to Newport and Cape Cod on a summer Friday night, makes for a traffic disaster.

Throw in one fender bender, or a little construction, and traffic comes to a halt.

Whoever came up with the New England phrase, "You can't get there from here" was referring to this area.

The traffic engineer who designed this junction back in the 1950's should be shot.

Move to DC/N VA, you'll have it so much better...... (sarc).