A Rat

[Rich]

Penalizing independent contractors? Interesting.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I've held my tongue as long as I can. I'd like the opinions of fellow members here.



In March of last season, we elected officers for this season. The President for the 2017-18 season lost. He did not take losing well. ( BTW, He lost 67% to 33% it wasn't close) He broke many of our by laws by going to the area schools and soliciting games for a new officials association that he planned to form. But he hadn't resigned from our board UNTIL the schools had committed to giving him games.



Here's my question, 1st of all, I believe we should be a brotherhood, we should support and raise one another up. How would you handle this situation? Some of our members want to work both boards. ( BTW, we have about 2500 assignments and his board took about 100 )



If one of our members works for his board ( at this point we know of 2) Should there be a penalty? What type of penalty?



Does this happen in other areas? We have a contract with the area schools and conference, we were to be the EXCLUSIVE provider of officiating services for basketball. They interpret the contract differently ( NOW) We serve about 13 high schools, 3 of them have given us all the conference games, not the non conference games, 1 school gave the other board ALL their schedule ( 15 games ) because he offered to work 2 person instead of 3 person, the remainder of schools have given us their entire schedule.



I'd like to stay positive, but this guy.....sore loser. Rat.

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[Terrapins Fan]

Just looking for other people's thoughts.

How would you feel Rich if a former member left and became a competitor because he lost an election?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Just looking for other people's thoughts.



How would you feel Rich if a former member left and became a competitor because he lost an election?

Has nothing to do with feelings. Need to show those schools you provide a better product and compete.


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[Terrapins Fan]

I agree. But feelings do come into play. I go back to officiating shoild be a brotherhood. We should support one another, not split because we lost an election.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

But feelings do come into play.

I agree with Rich. Feelings and emotions should not be completely ignored, but they should not come into play regarding moving on from this ugly situation.

Show schools you provide a better product and compete. Recruit more schools. Offer to work more scrimmages for a lower fee (if any). Recruit more officials. Improve your training program. Improve your evaluation system. Keeps business to a minimum and continuing education to a maximum when you have meetings.

Turn lemons into ... Never mind. I don't think that you're in the mood for clichés.

[bob jenkins]

THis is one of the problems when "associations" are also "assigners" and there's some sort of exclusive relationship with the officials.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

THis is one of the problems when "associations" are also "assigners" and there's some sort of exclusive relationship with the officials.

I've always found this to be a huge conflict of interest that always ends up being restraint of trade in some way.

Having one person or group dictate whether I can work and what I work is a terrible arrangement, IMO.


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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

THis is one of the problems when "associations" are also "assigners" and there's some sort of exclusive relationship with the officials.

Totally agree. I get why this happens or people think this is the a good thing on the surface, but when it is about the person that assigns in your group and that relationship with the group is strained, then this is what can and will happen.

Peace

[genetoy71]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

...Offer to work more scrimmages for a lower fee (if any)...

If I am a member of an association and association leadership does this, how does this help me?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Show schools you provide a better product and compete. Recruit more schools. Offer to work more scrimmages for a lower fee (if any). Recruit more officials. Improve your training program. Improve your evaluation system. Keeps business to a minimum and continuing education to a maximum when you have meetings.

Originally Posted by genetoy71

If I a member of an association and association leadership does this, how does this help me?

By keeping school schedules, and thus more game assignments for you, especially if you're not a member of another assigning board.

You're right, it's not a great idea, but in the "dog eat dog world" of two competing assigning boards in the same locality, anything goes when it comes to making one assigning board look more attractive to coaches/athletic directors/principals/league directors than the other assigning board.

And maybe, depending on the state guidelines and contracted fees, it's easier to "tinker" with scrimmage fees than it is to "tinker" with actual game fees.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

... school gave the other board all their schedule because he offered to work 2 person instead of 3 person ...

In the specific case of this thread, the "Brand X" assigning board already came up with a cost saving measure of lower total game fees by agreeing to go with two person crews.

Some schools may find this cost saving idea of "quantity over quality" financially attractive and thus, a real bargain.

Others may not.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Rich

Penalizing independent contractors? Interesting.

Certainly wouldn’t be the first time, as you know.