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Old Mon Jul 30, 2018, 03:44pm
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Translation: HS camp = HS mechanics, men's college camp (JUCO, NAIA, NCAA) = CCA men's mechanics, women's college camp = CCA women's mechanics, G-League camp = NBA mechanics (and rules)?

At a Proactive Referee or similar high-level teaching camp for multiple levels, use whatever mechanics I am most familiar with?
I don't know what "Proactive Referee" is, but use the mechanics the camp director says to use. Absent that, use the mechanics your partners agree to use.
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Old Wed Jul 25, 2018, 08:10am
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Earlier in this thread, a user remarked that camp directors do not care about NCAA rules "Supervisors don't care about rules differences" were the words used. To my understanding, camps for evaluating and hiring college officials were as likely to use HS as college rules, and this is surprising when the specific purpose of those camps is to evaluate college officials. ....
It is only surprising because you are refusing to absorb what you are being told. You are applying your own criteria to what a supervisor is looking for. Your POV does not jibe with what really goes on. Playing rules for camps are determined by the level of competition, not by what NCAA conference is conducting an officiating clinic.

Physical appearance, hustle, play-calling. Takes a supervisor about 5 minutes to see those things and determine if he/she wants to look at you some more.

I just attended a D1/D2 try-out/staff camp a few weeks ago. The supervisor is an NCAA rules EXPERT. He had no idea what the rules for our games were and did not care.

There are plenty of officials in this forum who have worked or are still working different levels of college basketball and have attended plenty of college camps. What we are telling you about camps is not "what we heard", but what we have experienced.

And as Bob just posted, there is a difference between mechanics and rules. No matter what the rules are, we are expected to incorporate NCAA mechanics as much as possible and feasible.
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How was your latest camp? What feedback did you receive?
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As mentioned (and ignored) many times, college assigners care about play-calling, not how well you can recite the rules and do on a test. Play-calling is by its very nature philosophical; the rules are a guide but they aren't going to tell you everything you need to know about getting plays right, and they certainly won't tell you what an assigner's preferences are for how certain plays are officiated. And quite honestly, basketball is not a sport where one's play-calling should change significantly between high school and college rules. There are only like ~30 rule differences in basketball and most only matter when the ball is dead; it's not like football where there's a rule difference to think about on almost every play.

But, if you want to keep using your own criteria to decide what supervisors care about without absorbing what experienced officials tell you, be my guest.
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