Team catches & shoots w/ .3 left to win in WV Tournament

[bob jenkins]

Where's a judge when you need one?

[BryanV21]

I'm curious what you all believe will happen with these officials. Will they lose future tournament games, or games in general?

EDIT: I re-read what I wrote earlier and it was just some cry-baby junk. Sorry.

[MechanicGuy]

Wow. That is an inexcusable error, if I'm being honest. I'd expect ANY varsity official to know that rule.

[CJP]

I worked a game recently where the home team was down 3 with 0.3 seconds remaining. The situation was a spot throw in from half court after a time-out. My partners and I got together during the time-out and discussed that if they catch and shoot a 3 that we will wave it off and the game is over. Of course, the home team comes out and beautifully executes a play to get the open 3 and they nailed it. Of course, home court timer advantage allowed the kid to catch the ball with his back turned to the basket, turn and shoot (ball going through the basket) all before the horn goes off. The crowd was very upset when we waived it off but it was the correct call. The coach asked why we did not count the basket and understood completely when we gave him an explanation.

[nolanjj68]

Here is the article:

WV MetroNews – No. 1 North Marion hits buzzer-beater to escape Bluefield upset

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by CJP

... My partners and I got together during the time-out and discussed that if they catch and shoot a 3 that we will wave it off and the game is over.

Slow down partner. Not necessarily. The game might not be over. What else can happen in 0.3 seconds other than a tip? How about a catch and a ...

[CJP]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Slow down partner. Not necessarily. The game might not be over. What else can happen in 0.3 seconds other than a tip? How about a catch and a ...

We specifically talked about a catch and a shot. Any other hypothetical situation is irrelevant.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by CJP

We specifically talked about a catch and a shot. Any other hypothetical situation is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by CJP

... that if they catch and shoot a 3 that we will wave it off and the game is over.

The statement was made that if there is a catch that the game is over.

Sounds pretty simple. It's not that simple. The game might not be over under at least one hypothetical, but very possible (what often happens to players in the act of shooting), circumstance. I wouldn't nod to the table, and run out of the gym, if something else happened in addition to the catch and shoot.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The statement was made that if there is a catch and that the game is over.

Sounds pretty simple. It's not that simple. The game might not be over under at least one hypothetical, but very possible (what often happens to players in the act of shooting), circumstance. I wouldn't nod to the table, and run out of the gym, if something else happened in addition to the catch and shoot.

Yeah well we only had a short amount of time for a brief discussion. Having just a catch was not part of our discussion. I didn't think it was necessary to have a "pre-game" discussion during the time-out. Forgive me if I didn't mention the other hypothetical situations but I thought we covered the most important one.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Slow down partner. Not necessarily. The game might not be over. What else can happen in 0.3 seconds other than a tip? How about a catch and a ...

The NCAAW rule is better here -- as soon as the ball is caught, the game is over.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The NCAAW rule is better here -- as soon as the ball is caught, the game is over.

You didn't answer the fill in the blank question (when I certainly know that you can). Is this one of those fisherman metaphor things?

[CJP]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I'm curious what you all believe will happen with these officials. Will they lose future tournament games, or games in general?

EDIT: I re-read what I wrote earlier and it was just some cry-baby junk. Sorry.

I would vote in favor of never letting anyone on this crew officiate another post season game, ever.

[frezer11]

If you're in a 0.3 situation and there is a timeout, hopefully as a crew you have a brief discussion to be on the same page. Would anyone consider communicating with coaches during this timeout about the rule? I wouldn't, in the camp of they should know the rule, but I'm curious to see what others might think.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by frezer11

If you're in a 0.3 situation and there is a timeout, hopefully as a crew you have a brief discussion to be on the same page. Would anyone consider communicating with coaches during this timeout about the rule? I wouldn't, in the camp of they should know the rule, but I'm curious to see what others might think.

No. It's not my job to educate anybody on the rules. If the coach does not know the rule it's not my problem. He can rant and rave all he wants... I don't care. He's the one that looks like a total jackass, not me.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

No. It's not my job to educate anybody on the rules. If the coach does not know the rule it's not my problem. He can rant and rave all he wants... I don't care. He's the one that looks like a total jackass, not me.

I agree, it is not our job. We briefly discussed telling the coach that only a tip can score in the scenario I shared earlier. Obviously, we decided against it.