Patient Whistle?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bucky

To me, that says it all. I think everyone will agree that if they "clearly see B2 push A2" then they will call the foul.

Not at all.

The statement is necessary, but not sufficient.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not at all.

The statement is necessary, but not sufficient.

I know, thus my tagline.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bucky

I know, thus my tagline.

I am confused. "B2 pushes A2" is not a rule -- so it can't be enforced or ignored, so I'm not sure what it has to do with your tagline.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I am confused. "B2 pushes A2" is not a rule -- so it can't be enforced or ignored, so I'm not sure what it has to do with your tagline.

Respectfully, therein lies the disagreement. I find the act of a push or pushing in many places within the rule book.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bucky

Respectfully, therein lies the disagreement. I find the act of a push or pushing in many places within the rule book.

It's not one of the "automatics" so it's only a foul when it creates an advantage (or causes a disadvantage)

[bucky]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's not one of the "automatics" so it's only a foul when it creates an advantage (or causes a disadvantage)

(now we are off topic but...)

Point me in the direction of the rule book where advantage/dis is in regards to fouls again? I forgot where that was and an immediate electronic search returned nothing.

[Altor]

Rule 4 (definitions) is a good place to start.

[ChuckS]

Originally Posted by bucky

(now we are off topic but...)

Point me in the direction of the rule book where advantage/dis is in regards to fouls again? I forgot where that was and an immediate electronic search returned nothing.

This may be it:

4-19-1 "A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements..."

The implication being that there can be illegal contact which does NOT hinder an opponent.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bucky

(now we are off topic but...)

Point me in the direction of the rule book where advantage/dis is in regards to fouls again? I forgot where that was and an immediate electronic search returned nothing.

Rule 4-27-2 that basically says,

Contact, which may result when opponents are in equally favorable positions to perform normal defensive or offensive movements, should be considered incidental.

Hope that helps.

Peace