Travel then foul? Or just block/charg call (Video)

[just another ref]

An obvious travel which hasn't been called in college in several years and has trickled down to high school enough that I have finally stopped calling it myself, because I don't want to be the only one.

[Camron Rust]

Hard to legally defend an opponent who is allowed extra foot movement.

[Blindolbat]

Calling the travel would've been so much easier and kept that player in the game much longer.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by just another ref

An obvious travel which hasn't been called in college in several years and has trickled down to high school enough that I have finally stopped calling it myself, because I don't want to be the only one.

Hmm...I'd say its the opposite with my main HS board here. Our interpreter has made spin move travels a point of emphasis for several years now.

I'm calling them more and more.

This one is super obvious. He not only replaces his pivot foot but then gets away with another step.

[bob jenkins]

If the travel is ignored, then I think it's a charge -- but it's close. IN NCAAM they might have special emphasis on the defender continuing to move "UP" to vertical -- and this might be the reason for the call.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by just another ref

An obvious travel which hasn't been called in college in several years and has trickled down to high school enough that I have finally stopped calling it myself, because I don't want to be the only one.

Same. I used to be the guy to get this, but no longer.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by a pennsylvania coach

same. I used to be the guy to get this, but no longer.

+1

[MechanicGuy]

"Good" spin moves may be travels by rule, but on a macro level, the game of basketball doesn't 'want' this move to be illegal.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

"Good" spin moves may be travels by rule, but on a macro level, the game of basketball doesn't 'want' this move to be illegal.

Then the rules makers should add this to the travel rule as an exception, much like the jump stop.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Then the rules makers should add this to the travel rule as an exception, much like the jump stop.

Which, in actuality, a spin move is.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Which, in actuality, a spin move is.

No it's not. No one picks up both feet and then returns them both to the floor during a spin movie.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Then the rules makers should add this to the travel rule as an exception, much like the jump stop.

I don't disagree. But really, allowing this is much like not calling travels on the catch during fast breaks, because those are almost always travels as well. So are a good number off simple lay-ups. The "2-beats" philosophy that defines an NBA travel has essentially become the unwritten standard at the collegiate and HS levels as well. The players, coaches, fans, administrators and the overwhelming majority of officials are okay with it.

There are other violations we should get better at calling though, particularly the travels at the beginning of a dribble drive.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

I don't disagree. But really, allowing this is much like not calling travels on the catch during fast breaks, because those are almost always travels as well. So are a good number off simple lay-ups. The "2-beats" philosophy that defines an NBA travel has essentially become the unwritten standard at the collegiate and HS levels as well. The players, coaches, fans, administrators and the overwhelming majority of officials are okay with it.

There are other violations we should get better at calling though, particularly the travels at the beginning of a dribble drive.

Like I have said before, we are awful as officials in calling travels. We either call the ones that are not there but not understanding the rule (like a Jump Stop) or we totally ignore moves like spins or even the move before the dribble drive where clearly there are travels.

I posted this play because we seem to miss an obvious travel but then penalize the defensive team again by calling a foul. I can certainly see a coach being very upset by that situation.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

The players, coaches, fans, administrators and the overwhelming majority of officials are okay with it.

Maybe it's area / level dependent, but I get more questions about no-calls ("bob -- why wasn't that a travel?") then I do about calls -- on drives, stuttersteps, legal (in my view, at least) spin moves, etc.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

An obvious travel which hasn't been called in college in several years and has trickled down to high school enough that I have finally stopped calling it myself, because I don't want to be the only one.

It did not trickle down to high school, this was almost never called in high school as long as I could remember. High school officials just do not call other travels as well, this is just one of them that I never see called.

Peace