Travel then foul? Or just block/charg call (Video)

[MechanicGuy]

"Good" spin moves may be travels by rule, but on a macro level, the game of basketball doesn't 'want' this move to be illegal.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

"Good" spin moves may be travels by rule, but on a macro level, the game of basketball doesn't 'want' this move to be illegal.

Then the rules makers should add this to the travel rule as an exception, much like the jump stop.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Then the rules makers should add this to the travel rule as an exception, much like the jump stop.

Which, in actuality, a spin move is.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Then the rules makers should add this to the travel rule as an exception, much like the jump stop.

I don't disagree. But really, allowing this is much like not calling travels on the catch during fast breaks, because those are almost always travels as well. So are a good number off simple lay-ups. The "2-beats" philosophy that defines an NBA travel has essentially become the unwritten standard at the collegiate and HS levels as well. The players, coaches, fans, administrators and the overwhelming majority of officials are okay with it.

There are other violations we should get better at calling though, particularly the travels at the beginning of a dribble drive.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Which, in actuality, a spin move is.

No it's not. No one picks up both feet and then returns them both to the floor during a spin movie.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

I don't disagree. But really, allowing this is much like not calling travels on the catch during fast breaks, because those are almost always travels as well. So are a good number off simple lay-ups. The "2-beats" philosophy that defines an NBA travel has essentially become the unwritten standard at the collegiate and HS levels as well. The players, coaches, fans, administrators and the overwhelming majority of officials are okay with it.

There are other violations we should get better at calling though, particularly the travels at the beginning of a dribble drive.

Like I have said before, we are awful as officials in calling travels. We either call the ones that are not there but not understanding the rule (like a Jump Stop) or we totally ignore moves like spins or even the move before the dribble drive where clearly there are travels.

I posted this play because we seem to miss an obvious travel but then penalize the defensive team again by calling a foul. I can certainly see a coach being very upset by that situation.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

No it's not. No one picks up both feet and then returns them both to the floor during a spin movie.

They could, but since they don't, it becomes illegal. And yes, I've seen it. Rarely, but I've seen it.

And if officials ref'd spin moves with the same principles they ref jump stops, they would call more travels and be correct.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

The players, coaches, fans, administrators and the overwhelming majority of officials are okay with it.

Maybe it's area / level dependent, but I get more questions about no-calls ("bob -- why wasn't that a travel?") then I do about calls -- on drives, stuttersteps, legal (in my view, at least) spin moves, etc.

[zm1283]

I have called this several times this year and have seen partners call it too. It is called more than it has been before.

I also think that as a whole we call too many travels that really aren't simply because they look funny.